Posted on 01/11/2013 7:27:03 AM PST by Uncle Chip
I did not know this - fascinating. Wonder if they have Cajun, too!
Enjoy:
Conn Shooting Police Lt J. Paul Vance and Actor John Goodman: Are They ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk66rJ_69MA
Nope, it didn’t clear up ‘lots’ of my questions. I read your article, and after I got through all the psycho-babble by the writers of it, who are not psychologists, but just bloggers blogging...it wasn’t a bad attempt at shedding some light on the situation. But for me it answered no questions. In fact, none of them. But I can tell you with authority, because I am a licensed professional psychologiist/ counselor, that this whole bag of tricks still looks like something out of Alice in Wonderland and the Mad Hatters Party. I’ve encountered some real doozies in my career. People trying to manipulate each other over just petty stuff and playing mind games for kicks.
Even psychopaths have a motive for their actions that makes sense to ‘them’. And it is usually on full display somewhere, even if it’s just going out with a bang and name recognition. When all these ‘experts’ that supposedly examined all of the evidence, interviewed all the parties, AND Eric Holder of the US DOJ made a special trip to the site and confiscated all the evidence, and literally shut the case down with nobody forming or daring to even have an opinion of the perp’s motive, then son, you have a problem.
This 20-21? year old young man supposedly murdered his mother, then went to a school he had no connection to in his life and knocked off 15 kids and several school staff, no motive, end of story, case closed, just believe us people, we know what we’re doing...end of story. Go collect your EBT cards, be happy, aren’t you lucky? No worries! We got what we wanted out of it. And forget about Fast and Furious and Benghazi as well.
Then the bloggers from the article you presented went into some more psycho-babble about the under priviledged, their lack of education and lack of access to successes, et al, for whatever reason that doesn’t even relate to any of these perps from ALL of the shootings in the last 5-6 years, because none of them were from the underbelly of society in the US. They were from the middle and upper class little boxes democrats seem to want to put us all in for some reason. Not deprived at all. In fact, Lanz’s father was his mother’s ex connected to the banking LIBOR scams, megabucks in alimony and access to resources for her ‘nerdy’ recluse psychopathic child. And the bloggers never got around to that fact at all.
And then there’s this jewel they wrote: “There is no evidence that the U.S. government is planning to use the Sandy Hook massacre to justify an attempt to ban the private ownership of guns in the USA.” This is pure hog warsh. Have you seen Dianne Feinstein’s bill? Have you even had access to all the proposals for bills rolling onto the floor of congress from these hysterical, almost elated, Marxists on Capitol Hill? Have you listened to their press releases? Even Bloomberg’s insane rantings? The guy who successfully banned the Big Gulp Slurpees by deeming them dangerous, for pete’s sakes?
Then just for fun there’s the fact that ALL of these shooters are connected. ALL of them. But then that’s a story of another stripe that I don’t think any of us are ready to address.
ALL of these shootings really need to be fully examined by the American public and scrutinized very carefully. I don’t think we’re safe from this current regime and their mind games...just sayin.
You did get to the part where it is explained how the name “Chris Rodia” got mistakenly associated with this, didn’t you???
http://www.sott.net/article/255766-The-Sandy-Hook-Massacre-Unanswered-Questions
The car was his mother’s not Rodia’s
So, in your opinion, there were two identical cars involved? ok. You do realize that the blog you quoted was just a blog and they were speculating about what was said on those tapes? They don’t really know what went down on that parking lot either?
Don’t get me wrong, I am not arguing with you. I’m just telling you what I see here. And doing the same thing the guys in the blog are doing.
I saw a car on a tow truck exactly like the car cardoned off. The tape says that car on the tow truck belonged to Christopher Rodia. Then I see a guy pulling a gun out of a car that you can’t see in the dark claiming it belonged to Lanz, obviously a shot gun.
Now at the scene (that only lasted 3 minutes) all the witness LE telling people Lanz was found with two handguns. No mention of a long gun, .223 AR-15. Now miraculously days after the event the place was riddled with ‘magazines’ and .223 AR-15 casings. This was after the quick visit by Eric Holder who has this very bad habit of controlling the narrative of such events. And an ME stating the children were killed with a ‘long weapon’.
Now here’s this psychotic ‘nerdy’ kid, who may or may not have had range training by his mother, packed into that school two handguns, an AR-15, a bag full of magazines enough to riddle the place with bullets with two handguns and a long weapon going from room to room. Shot his way into the school, as well, and in 3 minutes 27 people were dead. Carrying out a fete only equal to what our trained military or SWAT teams can accomplish.
I am a range trained individual with a range on my farm. I’ve watched big and small men handle weapons, as well as handled a few weapons. But no weapons expert whatsoever. I admit I have never trained for agility, just accuracy. So pardon my skepticism about what went down at that school, accomplished by a squirrely untrained kid in just a short few minutes. You don’t get that kind of agility playing with a joy stick on a computer game.
And that’s my final discussion on this thread. I do appreciate what you’re trying to do is bring order to chaos.
<>all the witness LE telling people Lanz was found with two handguns. No mention of a long gun<>
This might help:
Newtown school shooting: Transcript of police, fire radio dispatch Published: Friday, December 14, 2012
9:55:25: “Be advised, we have multiple weapons. One rifle and a shotgun”
http://nhregister.com/articles/2012/12/14/news/doc50cc0897adc1a203744261.txt?viewmode=fullstory
Then try some other threads. You might be asking questions others want answered and answers as well.
<>I saw a car on a tow truck exactly like the car cardoned off ... Then I see a guy pulling a gun out of a car that you can’t see in the dark claiming it belonged to Lanz....<>
Story here and pics here:
Note that the car is being towed away in the rain. It wasn’t raining on the day that this happened. So this must have been the next day.
I have a very hard time believing this autistic vegan kid did this in 3 minutes.
And I have a real problem with the news video of the cops arresting someone in the woods, and then the state police chief saying no one was found in the woods.
And I find it absolutely bizarre, in this day and age when nearly everyone has a phone with photo/video capability, that there is no photos or video of the scene.
And the videos of a parent ‘getting in character’ is so strange, as well as the witness Gene Rosen, who cries at the same point in the dozens of interviews he gave.
I shared your same skepticism almost verbatim — until I by-passed as much of the LSM as possible including the YouTubers and took a second look at the evidence closest to the ground, including this police scanner dispatch:
http://nhregister.com/articles/2012/12/14/news/doc50cc0897adc1a203744261.txt?viewmode=fullstory
An AR-15 can shoot 45 rounds in a minute. So it is reasonable that he fired 100+ rounds in 3 minutes and it ended by the time the police got there. A second shooter was not necessary.
And that incident with video showing the police chasing a man into the woods is on that police scanner dispatch and took place within 3 minutes of the dispatch to send police:
9:35:53a.m.- Dispatch: “Sandy Hook School, Caller’s
indicated she thinks someone is shooting in
the building.”
9:36:15: “The individual I have on the phone is
indicated she thinks someone is shooting in
the building.”
9:38:10: “The shooting appears to have stopped. The
school is in lock down.”
9:38:50: “We’ll stage up the SWAT and go from there.”
9:39:05: “Reports that teachers saw two shadows running,
past the building, past the gym.”
9:39:20: “Yeah, we got ‘em. Their coming at me.”
The guy that was found in the woods was identified as a parent last name Manfredonia who was bringing stuff to the school when he heard the shots — he was detained for awhile.
Wikipedia has some details of the event that ties a lot of things together. The kids who had been hiding in the cabinets in Soto’s classroom were apparently the ones that were on Gene Rosen’s lawn. They ran out of the school when the shooting stopped. That explains their comments to him.
I can’t see someone breaking into my home and killing my family in 3 minutes. What to speak of an untrained autistic kid killing 27 people -— incredible accuracy and efficiency.
Of course it’s possible to pull the trigger 45 times in a minute. But he’d have to do mag changes, and as someone who owns a scary Ar-15 type assault weapon, shooting 45 times in a minute with 30 round mags, with accuracy, is extremely hard.
The chief didn’t say that the parent was in the woods. He said no one was in the woods. And why would the parent be running in the woods from cops? Makes no sense.
Gene Rosen says the kids were from Mrs. Soto’s class. Of course he get the boy / girl ratio of the survivors wrong, and knows the casualty names 2 days before they were officially released. But it’s his fake crying, in EVERY interview, that really makes me shudder. Along with the video of the dad laughing, saying ‘you want me to read off the card?’, and then getting in character and crying as he speaks about his daughter. So weird.
But forget all that... the most bizarre thing about it is the lack of cell phone photos / video. How can that possibly be?
And why would the parent be running in the woods from cops?
He may have thought initially that they were the shooters coming after him. There was still shooting in the building while he was running away. As you watch the video of the chase into the woods match it to the timeline above from the police dispatch -- It fits.
Gene Rosen ... knows the casualty names 2 days before they were officially released.
Not true -- that interview was done after the report was released. He didn't know it on the day it happened but he did by the day the interview was done.
The father's interview was unusual but that doesn't paint everybody in the town. Put a person in front of a camera and they feel the obligation to perform for it.
the most bizarre thing about it is the lack of cell phone photos/video.
I was interested in a close up of the front door where the glass was -- but I noticed in the newsreel footage that that whole area was taped off and nobody was allowed near as it was a crime scene area. There wasn't anything then to take pictures of outside the school.
However we do have pictures of bullet holes in cars in the parking lot.
Here is an interview I hadn’t seen. A parent who arrived at the school while the police were inside the school. Listen to what they saw and heard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptbd6qRY358
I found this article on the Rodia thing:
And yet the piture showed them pulling the shotgun out of the car in the dark. So how’d they know about a shotgun at 9:55 am. In fact I’ve seen this transcript on other sites and don’t remember the 9:55 entry.
Before they went into the school they must have opened Lanza’s car and the trunk and checked it out. Watch this interview that I posted at #192. It’s a mother who came up to the front entrance while the police were in the school clearing it. It’s further corroboration of the dispatch timeline.
Did Lanza use an AR15 type rifle or not? I thought that the media said he did?
http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495
It sure would be nice if Pete Williams would tell us who those “federal officials” were who gave him that “information”. Note that the rumor came from “federal” officials not state police.
Why are federal officials saying anything??? This was a state and local investigation — not federal. What would federal officials know about what weapons were used if they weren’t there or in on the initial investigation???
I suspect that the official narrative from the feds and media was going to be those bad handguns not rifles — until that ME press conference when Lt Vance quashed the rumor and pointed out that it was the rifle that did the damage.
For those who remember the early days of gun control legislation, it was always aimed at handguns not rifles or shotguns — mainly because handguns are concealable and more easily pulled out and used. That appears to be where the media was heading until the ME press conference.
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