Posted on 01/07/2013 2:34:19 PM PST by jimbo123
Investigators puzzled by why Sandy Hook gunman Adam Lanza wore earplugs during the massacre if he knew he was going to kill himself. Separately, evidence shows Lanza reloaded his weapon before the magazines were spent, leading to questions about whether he was influenced by the first-person shooter games he spent hours playing.
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“there are no cases of a person with Autism or Asperger’s who has committed a planned violent attack.”
It appears the Virginia Tech shooter also was autisic:
Relative Says Virginia Tech Shooter Was Autistic
From the beginning, he wouldn’t answer me,” Kim Yang-soon, Cho’s great aunt, said in an interview Thursday with Associated Press Television News. He “didn’t talk. Normally sons and mothers talk. There was none of that for them. He was very cold.” “When they went to the United States, they told them it was autism,” said Kim, 85, adding that the family had constant worries about Cho.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267282,00.html
Note, I am not linking autism with violence, just your point that “no cases of a person with Autism or Asperger’s who has committed a planned violent attack.”
No one has the answers to these questions or issues. Anyone who makes the assertion that Lanza used ear plugs BECAUSE of Autism is jumping to a conclusion that is not supported by any facts.
“How is it that ear plugs are explained by an undiagnosed disorder?”
His brother is saying he was diagnosed.
Look, I agree with you that autism does not equate to violence and that autisic kids will get a bad rap by the Sandy Hook shooter and the Viginia Tech shooter.
But it’s like me wishing Bernie Madoff was not Jewish because he will give Jewish people a bad reputation. Alas, he’s Jew.
Sometimes, we get stuck.
I just conducted a review of the records regarding the VT shooter. Such research is something I’d recommend to others before writing claims about anyone. The VT shooter had been diagnosed with Selective Mutism, which is an anxiety disorder, as well as Major Depressive Disorder. Claims of Autism came from family members in South Korea, but there has never been any confirmation from any close family member, nor anyone else, that the VT shooter had Autism or ASD. Again, another example of people on FR making diagnoses based upon no factual evidence. Shameful.
“Again, another example of people on FR making diagnoses based upon no factual evidence.”
No evidence, except the family members stating what the diagnosis was, you mean.
There is NO evidence from anyone who was living with Cho in the U.S. after he arrived here at age 8 that he had been diagnosed with Autism. However, there is evidence he was diagnosed with an Anxiety disorder and Major Depressive Disorder.
Is there some reason you are choosing to NOT do any of your own research on this?
There is no video evidence that Ryan Lanza made the statement Adam Lanza had a diagnosis of Autism. There is a media report only that reads that Ryan Lanza stated Adam MAY HAVE had Autism OR a Personality Disorder. Sorry, but that is hardly factual evidence of a diagnosis.
You are dealing with a zealot who is so afraid of the negative raminfications of the shooter’s autism, that he will always deny he had it, no matter the proof.
I really like his sliding scale of proof and failure to answer your points.
So are you saying that is Ryan is lying???
1) Are you suggesting the media got that report correct?
2) Are you suggesting Ryan Lanza, by virtue of his statement that Adam had either Autism or a personality disorder, knew what the hell he was talking about?
I don’t understand why this seems to be such a difficult issue for some people to understand. THERE IS NO VERIFIED DIAGNOSIS.
FR protocol, if I recall correctly, is to include the person of whom you are trashing, with a ping out of common courtesy. A lack of courtesy having been already displayed, I’m not surprised.
Oh, and FYI, (yet again) you have failed to provide any evidence whatsoever that Adam Lanza was diagnosed with any disorder. Again I request you provide your evidence, if you have any.
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Are you suggesting that they missquoted him??? His behaviour described by multiple sources points to the fact that he had Aspergers or Autism or something of that nature.
2) Are you suggesting Ryan Lanza, by virtue of his statement that Adam had either Autism or a personality disorder, knew what the hell he was talking about?
He sure knew more about his brother than YOU do.
I don’t understand why this seems to be such a difficult issue for some people to understand. THERE IS NO VERIFIED DIAGNOSIS.
VERIFIED to whom???? you??? me???
Have you ever heard of HIPPA???
We will never see his medical records.
But unless you have a VERIFIED DIAGNOSIS that his brother Ryan suffers from truth aversion disorder, then his statement about his brother's disorder is the closest you are going to get to it.
And his appearance and behaviour as described by teachers, acquaintances, family members, etc all point in that direction.
If you paid attention, which obviously you have not, you would have noted that Ryan Lanza's statement is NOT a verification of anything. He stated he BELIEVED his brother had Autism OR a personality disorder. A belief is not a fact. And, Autism is not a personality disorder.
Which reports by teachers, friends, family are you referring to? Please provide some support. I've researched and have found nothing other than the reported-by-the media statement of Ryan Lanza, which has not been corroborated by any other information.
I have been following this case pretty closely and what I have read is that none of Lanza’s psychological evaluations have been released by either schools or doctors. The closest that we have come to any disclosure was the word of a close friend of the mother’s, who said on a Sunday tv show that Adam Lanza was on some sort of medication for an mental condition and that he sometimes couldn’t handle being in school, so his mother home schooled him.
We never gained access to Cho’s mental health documents, either, because the doctor who was treating them, removed the files from the office and took them home. He finally turned them over two years later, but the files did not contain any information about the medications that Cho was observed to be taking. So, we don’t know if he was still taking meds or not, but that doesn’t matter because the psychotic episodes can sometimes get worse during the withdrawal.
“I am a School Psychologist.”
ROFL.
I get it now. You and your friends are perseverating on some minor detail that was thrown out into the public by someone in the media. Hmmmm. Perseveration is one of the characteristics. Enough said.
And I'm supposed to be impressed???
I work with and assess children with all manner of disabilities, including Autism, Asperger's, Emotional Disturbance, etc.
If you talk to them like you do to people on this forum I feel sorry for them.
I'm quite aware of HIPPA. But, that means zip in today's world.
Maybe in your little world but not in the real world the rest of us live in.
Laughner's medical diagnosis was reported by the media,
Is that the same media that you don't believe in this case???
and confirmed by his psychiatrist.
as reported by the same media that you don't believe here today, right???
Cho's medical and psychiatric records have also been reported and confirmed.
And you have verified that they are accurate???
If you paid attention, which obviously you have not, you would have noted that Ryan Lanza's statement is NOT a verification of anything.
His statement is EVIDENCE from the closest person to his brother that he suffered from some mental disorder.
He stated he BELIEVED his brother had Autism OR a personality disorder.
He is being honest by using the word "BELIEVED" which is more than can be said about most school psychologists.
A belief is not a fact.
Neither is a diagnosis from a psychologist/psychiatrist -- it's an opinion. Just because you are not diagnosed with Autism doesn't mean you don't have it and vice versa.
And, Autism is not a personality disorder.
But it manifests itself in one's personality.
Which reports by teachers, friends, family are you referring to? Please provide some support.
What??? you haven't been paying attention???
I've researched and have found nothing other than the reported-by-the media statement of Ryan Lanza, which has not been corroborated by any other information.
Keep looking --
Thanks for the information, and thank you for devoting your time to these children, not something I could do.
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