Posted on 01/04/2013 12:03:50 PM PST by SmileRight
On New Year’s Day, several on-duty plain clothes officers were dining at a Belleville, Ill. Denny’s, when a customer complained to the manager that one of the officers was carrying a gun. The Denny’s manager told the officer she would have to leave or put the gun in her car, as guns are not allowed on their premises.
“It’s absolutely a slap in the face I totally agree it’s completely disrespectful,” Belleville Police Captain Don sax said in a KTVI Fox2 report. “I’ve never known anybody that didn’t want a police officer present in an establishment in a business...
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I just heard the response from the Denny’s manager on the local Chicago radio on my drive home from the office. He pretty much said that 5 officers dressed as civilians wearing heavy winter coats came and sat down in the restaurant. A concerned customer saw that they were armed and alerted the manager. The manager (not knowing they were police officers)told the men that they needed to leave. The police identified themselves as officers and the manager simply asked if it was okay if they would leave their weapons in the car. The cops flipped out, got all indignant at the manager and customers and stormed out.
Sounds to me like the cops were acting like a bunch of cry babies and the manager was doing his job. It scares me to think that these “men” are trusted with weapons and badges when they cannot even act civilized in a Denny’s...
I agree with you. The cops were just acting like arrogant jerks.
In California and many other states, that I know of and visit, if a business does not want legally armed private citizens to enter and do business then they have to post a sign that shows this. Most states even have designed the specific sign that must be posted.
If a business owner or manager asks me to leave I will but the whole idea of carrying a concealed weapon is for it not to be detected or displayed. That is the law as well and those who carry on a CCW all know about both of these laws.
Yes we are mandated by laws.
Thats the way I feel about it. I love eating in a restaurant where there’s a cop. You know nothing is going to happen.
“Thats the way I feel about it. I love eating in a restaurant where there’s a cop. You know nothing is going to happen.”
Really? Go to the White Palace Grill on Roosevelt and Canal and watch all the Chicago Cops get seated before you by nervous black teenagers. Then I dare you to ask how come they can get seated before you when you were there first. Now comes the fun part, playing 52 card pick up with your teeth because some CP Officer busted you in the face with a baton because you dare question their “authority”.
Common since, logic, and a long history of situations mandate that the on duty officers maintain immediate possession of their primary defensive firearm. Suggesting that an on duty LEO separate themselves from their primary firearm is just plain dumb and stupid. No on duty LEO, armed security guard, or on duty military person who are "under arms", will ever willingly part with that firearm unless they are in a secure area/situation and there is a good reason to do so. Denney's is no where close to meeting that criteria.
The manager should have never made this suggestion. That manager should have informed the customer that they were LEO's and let that customer make whatever decision they thought necessary. I'm sure if this customer ever called LE and wanted them to respond that they would welcome them when they arrived with those same sidearms.
The very idea that these cops did anything wrong by walking into a Denny's to eat while on duty and wearing their sidearms is laughable.
The manager should be demoted or fired for lack of good common since and running off potential customers.
“Funny. I’ve never seen a legally mandated no gn sign in any Denny’s around here.”
The manager was probably intimidated by the endless, obnoxious, moralising and baseless, subjective outrage of the anti-gun dope who brought the complaint.
IMHO
Really, you like cops who abuse their authority?
It is common for cops to walk around with their firearms, especially onduty, wherever they may go. Certainly this was an unusual request. But that’s why I like it. Cops getting treated like regular people is fun to watch.
My guess is you are mandated by law to post a no guns sign if that is your general policy. But like I said, this appears to have been special circumstances prompted by a particular customer’s irrationality. It might have been better to explain to the malcontent that they were cops. Anyway, businesses usually reserve the right to refuse service for a panopoly of reasons. For instance, just be ause they post “no shoes, no shirts, no service” does not mean you can wear shoes and a shirt with no pants. I don’t see why they couldn’t ask the cops to come back without their guns or leave altogether just because there isn’t a sign.
Don’t ask incoherent questions. Obviously you don’t know every policeman in the country, yet you think you’re some sort of expert on police officers. You’re not.
lol now thats funny
Number one rule if you carry a gun for a living. Don't give up your gun to anyone or for anyone unless it is to a superior officer or LEO who is acting in the line of duty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cops do not give up their weapons because some tree hugging, anti gun moron thinks they should. Even in a court room where everyone is screened on the way in the bailiffs and cops who are there to testify are armed.
To ask them to do this is asking them to violate department policy and any and all common since, rational thought and logic. I can clearly see that you have never been involved in a job that included carrying a firearm.
I still don't get why anyone would think it is OK to ask a cop to give up their sidearms. To me that is one of the stupidest requests on the face of this earth. That is like asking a fireman to please not keep water in their firetrucks or paramedics to please not keep medical equipment in their ambulance. Dumb dumb dumb
“Really? Go to the White Palace Grill on Roosevelt and Canal and watch all the Chicago Cops get seated before you by nervous black teenagers. Then I dare you to ask how come they can get seated before you when you were there first.”
How about letting the cops get seated first so they can get back out on patrol and do their thankless underpaid job of keeping your azz safe? Especially in Chicago the armpit of the country with the bathhouse beauty as its mayor.
If giving them the option to sacrifice their precious guns is so anathematic, they could just take the other option, thereby preserving allegiance to department policy. Your anger at the mere suggestion of them being treated like regular people is funny to me. Why, for instance invoke first the idea that they would be giving their gun “to” somebody?
How often do they use those things, anyway? They can’t take them off for lunch, really? They need them to testify in court? Why, otherwise they’ll be assassinated or someone will be taped right in front of them? When they go shift after shift, week upon month upon year without ever having to use it? Now, I realize there’s a deterrent effect, and even unused it is essential to project authority. But not at lunch. Other professions call for you to use tools every minute on the job; you don’t see firemen lugging hoses to lunch or construction workers carrying their power drills on their hips wherever they go.
This is not the Star Wars universe, and they are not Jedi Knights who must protect their lightsabers with their lives. Sounds to me more like a status thing. It’s part of their fancy pants uniform, and without it they’d be one of us mere mortals.
I am a regular person and I carry 24/7/365. So I do not even agree with your definition of a “regular” person. No special treatment for me either. I just obey the law and stay away from stupid people.
I didn't even read much of that post. When you call emergency personnel because you really need them you want them there with all the tools they need to get the job done. You want them there ASAP and the idea that they would have to stop and retrieve one of their primary safety and protection tools before they can respond is too stupid to continue discussing.
I hope that the LEO’s in your area are smart enough not to give up their weapons.
Have a nice life.
“I hope they do not have to go and get their gun before they can respond”
Don’t they intentionally make it so that not all cops are at lunch at once? I don’t live in a major metropolis, but presumably even if something happened to be tying up all available units I could wait. Or if I couldn’t, then the cops would probably be too late anyway. As the saying goes, they’re never there when you need them. Not that they never help on scene. But, again, that’s why there are always active units.
This is all pointless blabber, anyway. All you’re saying is that they should go with the other option, which is to eat somewhere else. A stupid demand on Dennys’ part businesswise. But it has nothing to do with disarming police, which is a fiction of your fever-addled mind.
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