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To: edge919; Mr. Know It All; butterdezillion
Why should we fight about this on FR?

The plain facts of the matter are that doubt exists:
(1) as to the constitutional eligibility of the candidate.
(2) as to the place and circumstances of his birth
(3)as to his actual identity (after all, he was removed from the Illinois Bar because of an "identity" issue, among others.)

It is a logical error to combine "Constitutional Eligibility" with "Place of Birth." Team Obama has spent many millions to make it so, but we need not believe it.

Until the SCOTUS actually spells out what a "Natural Born Citizen" is (or indeed what "citizens" are) one party's views are as valuable as another's. As a practical matter, one party is flying on AF 1 and going to Hawaii, but from a logical POV, that really doesn't change matters.

In regard to Sheriff Joe's evidence, it deserves a look, at the very least. However, he is a county official. If his own county or state won't look, that is over.

The only thing that would have worked here is if one (1) state official had reacted to the very real doubts and removed Obama from his state's ballot.

The doubt exists. That does not make the issue a "conspiracy."

142 posted on 01/05/2013 11:52:36 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Say, what the hell happened to Reggie Love? Who's in the playroom with Barry now?)
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To: Kenny Bunk

We have legal confirmation that Obama has no legally-established birth facts. There is no way that he could ever qualify without legally-established birth facts. For the first time, Obama is the one who has the legal burden of proof. We need to capitalize on that.

At this point we KNOW he doesn’t qualify; we have a legal document certifying it. If that’s not enough to get a response within the system, then the system has just acknowledged that the Constitution can never be enforced. If that is so, we have no Constitution or rule of law, and the only way to get either of those things is through extra-legal means. Is that really what the Congress-critters and courts want to tell us? They better think long and hard on that one....


143 posted on 01/05/2013 12:03:19 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Kenny Bunk
You reference Minor v. Happersett regarding "doubt" and there is ample reason for such doubt. Recall also from same that Some authorities go further and extend natural-born status to those born in the nation regardless of parental citizenship. But, there was no need to resolve those doubts at the time in order to render a verdict.

By electing, certifying and allowing Obama to not just serve out his term, but reelecting him, it can be argued persuasively that those doubts have been resolved. Should his reelection be certified and he serves a second full term without successful challenge, that will likely be regarded as having removed all doubt.

So, we will have had Presidential candidates not born in the United States and we will have had a two term President born to a noncitizen father, whose citizenship was legally imposed upon his son at birth. The so-called citizenship clause is being slowly but surely probed, tested and undermined.

One day, we will have a President who is neither the child of citizens nor born in this country, Count on it. We're watching the groundwork being laid as we speak, disrupted by all manner of silliness intended to tinfoil any discussion of the matter, and I place Orly Taitz at the top of the heap of that silliness.

153 posted on 01/05/2013 8:38:29 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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