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Obama Administration: We Can and Will Force Christians to Act Against Their Faith
Cybercast News Service ^ | December 29, 2012 | Terence P. Jeffrey

Posted on 12/29/2012 6:57:48 PM PST by Olog-hai

In a legal argument formally presented in federal court in the case of Hobby Lobby v. Kathleen Sebelius, the Obama administration is claiming that the First Amendment—which expressly denies the government the authority to prohibit the “free exercise” of religion—nonetheless allows it to force Christians to directly violate their religious beliefs even on a matter that involves the life and death of innocent human beings. …

The Obama administration is making a two-fold argument for why it can force Christians to act against their faith in complying with the regulation it has issued under the Obamacare law that requires virtually all health care plans to cover, without co-pay, sterilizations, contraceptives, and abortion-inducing drugs.

The first argument the administration makes against the owners of Hobby Lobby is that Americans lose their First Amendment right to freely exercise their religion when they form a corporation and engage in commerce. A person’s Christianity, the administration argues, cannot be carried out through activities he engages in through an incorporated business. … The second argument the administration makes to justify forcing Christians to act against their faith is more sweeping. Here the administration argues it can force a person to act against his religion so long as the coercion is done under the authority of a law that is neutral and generally applicable—in other words, as long as the law was not written specifically to persecute Christians as Christians, the government can use that law to persecute Christians. …

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To: PghBaldy; Pollster1
Pollster1 ~ Christians have not faced evil of this magnitude since the Roman Coliseum or more likely the Circus Flaminius.

PghBaldy ~ Worse than the USSR or Nazi Germany? Really?

Stick around. They're just getting warmed up.

101 posted on 12/30/2012 7:34:34 AM PST by null and void (Socialism: Equal parts dumb and evil, in a blender.)
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To: Biggirl
In the end, God will overcome them and WIN.

This agnostic hopes so.

102 posted on 12/30/2012 7:38:56 AM PST by null and void (Socialism: Equal parts dumb and evil, in a blender.)
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To: Blackirish
Fat union thugs are the same no matter what age they are.

As for “every generation”, sure, that's easy to say and shrug off. The difference is that it wasn't until recently that the government subsidized people staying essentially idle well into their twenties by passing out grants and loans to encourage young folks to adapt to the lifestyle of the academic world rather than the productive world of working folks.

103 posted on 12/30/2012 7:39:33 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: AppyPappy

It’s not about what most people do. If you are a person of faith, you should not be forced by government to participate in that which compromises your faith and conscience, especially when it comes to issues like abortion.


104 posted on 12/30/2012 7:49:21 AM PST by CityCenter (Compromise is the welcome mat to deception.)
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To: CottShop

:) Consider this- it is not religion that is under attack, it is Jesus Christ, himself, who is under attack. He has always been under attack.

People will have to choose to accept or deny Jesus. Then he will accept or deny them. Just like Jesus said: they can’t take our lives away from us, if we lay them down for our friends. They really don’t have power over us, but that doesn’t stop power hungry people from trying.

There is nothing new under the sun. There have always been people who hate God so much, that they will do just about anything at all, to show that they have power over him. Include killing their own children, with their own hand and poisoning themselves with idolatry of numerous kinds.

Does Obama have a track record and a history of saving them? Can the government tells us what is to come? (No, No) Yet people continue to worship the government power elite. They are poisoning themselves.

We have all been here before. This isn’t anything new.


105 posted on 12/30/2012 8:40:31 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: null and void

You can’t be “agnostic” and hope in the Lord. :) But welcome to the party, friend. Once you choose hope, anything is possible.


106 posted on 12/30/2012 8:43:38 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: null and void

Muslim-owned companies are not exempt, unless the challenges prevail and create a for-profit company freedom of conscience exception that will benefit Christian owners as well.

Mosques have the same exemption as churches.

If there are any Islamically-affiliated public service organizations analogous to Catholic hospital chains, they have the same bullsh*t “exemption” the hospitals do (don’t have to buy birth control but have to buy coverage from carriers who will provide it for “free”).


107 posted on 12/30/2012 8:47:48 AM PST by only1percent
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To: AppyPappy
If you are Catholic, Specific forms of birth control are forbidden by your faith. That makes this a religious issue. If you aren't, you have to decide whether Ru-486 (the morning after pill) and other after conception forms of "birth control" are murder or not. Most of us accept that abortion is murder, regardless of what trimester is involved.

If you are Christian, how do you fund murder and remain faithful?

"Suffer the children to come unto me."

It IS a religious issue, not a question of buying condoms.

108 posted on 12/30/2012 9:07:33 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: MestaMachine
premeditated murder against the most innocent of innocents is MORE than enough reason to justify all out, knockdown, dragout insurrection.

I would think so, but all of these would be insurrectionist have been paying for it for 40 years and haven't raised a pitchfork

109 posted on 12/30/2012 9:17:26 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: null and void

I hadn’t thought along those lines, but you have a good point.


110 posted on 12/30/2012 9:50:55 AM PST by sport
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To: sport
Yeah. The system is supposed to give us someone to vote FOR. Instead we get to decide who is less repugnant.

Perhaps, should we have another election, the opposition party will run someone we can actually support, rather than the traditional lesser of two evils.

111 posted on 12/30/2012 10:01:16 AM PST by null and void (Socialism: Equal parts dumb and evil, in a blender.)
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To: narses; Olog-hai
Hobby Lobby isn't alone.

"Catholic Bishops: We Will Not Obey Immoral HHS-Abortion Mandate"

112 posted on 12/30/2012 10:47:20 AM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: SuziQ
Obama would love for employers to not offer any health insurance to their employees. It would be a major push for having a single payer plan, ....

Maybe that explains Obama's efforts to force Catholic hospitals to deliver morally repugnant "services" -- he wants them out of health care, period, because they represent a healthcare alternative that is not the New Democratic (Stalinist) Party.

Obama wants everyone in Sovietcare instead.

113 posted on 12/30/2012 12:59:02 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Olog-hai

So, as long as all school children must eat pork for lunch, it’s ok to force a yeshiva or a madrassa to serve it. Especially if they’re incorporated. Two Amendments down. Three if you count the Tenth. How many more to go?


114 posted on 12/30/2012 2:03:30 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Sure. Show me in the Bible where it condemns birth control and I’ll support your belief.


115 posted on 12/30/2012 2:50:40 PM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a masscre at a gun show.)
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To: Olog-hai

The truth is liberals want to stop Blacks from reproducing. But to admit that would be to admit they’re racists. Who hands out free birth control and gives free abortions to anyone who wants them, including teenagers without notifying their parents? Who wants to force every business in the country to pay for abortions? Who wants to force every person who pays taxes to pay for abortions? The answer is DEMOCRAT LIBERALS.


116 posted on 12/30/2012 3:28:05 PM PST by Terry Mross (I'm here for the entertainment.. And I know there are people I don't like who read my posts.)
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To: AppyPappy

Otherwise they have to abide by Obamacare?

That is not in the spirit of the First Amendment at all.


117 posted on 12/30/2012 3:59:45 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Fungi

“Demons have been known to be more “powerful” than God, at least in the short term.”


NOTHING is more “powerful” than God, Almighty.


118 posted on 12/30/2012 5:45:30 PM PST by ourworldawry
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To: Fungi
Demons have been known to be more “powerful” than God, at least in the short term.

Demons can only do what God allows them to do.
119 posted on 12/30/2012 7:27:48 PM PST by crosshairs (They are only assault weapons in the hands of tyrannical governments and criminals. Ban both.)
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To: Rashputin
Would the Holy Spirit teach one thing as truth one day and the exact opposite as truth the next? The fact that "most Protestants" don't oppose birth control shows that "most Protestants", (and "most Catholics" for that matter since they ignore what the Church teaches), no longer as concerned about their relationship to Christ as they are about their relationship to their libido.

no the holy spirit would not change His teachings....that's the point...Protestants do...and often, and as it suits their means..

Catholics do not change their views on birth control (artificial) some unfortunately for them, choose to ignore the RULES

120 posted on 12/30/2012 10:01:40 PM PST by terycarl
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