Posted on 12/27/2012 8:59:03 AM PST by wintertime
This video was made before the Sandy Hook killings. I expect that the prison-like conditions will grow worse.
Question: What do children learn when they attend prison-like indoctrination centers similar to those seen in this video? When children are in many ways treated like prisoners, and know that armed police and courts stand ready at all times to enforce the incarceration, what are they learning?
Answer: They risk learning to be comfortable prisoners of the state, comfortable with state compulsion, and they risk learning to be comfortable with the continuous threat of armed police and court action ever in the background of their lives. Their only crime was to born and for this they are incarcerated. They risk learning that the people who they should trust have abandoned them.
Question: How could anyone defend doing this to children? How can anyone deny what the outcome of having a nation of citizens comfortable with imprisonment will be for our continuing freedom?
Answer: I have no answer.
Question: Why would conservatives cooperate with this evil?
Answer: I have no answer.
Universal, police and court compelled government schooling is a very recent phenomena in human history. Our nation's Founding Fathers and 150,000 years of our human ancestors, would be appalled at the way we treat children. If they could speak from the dust they would warn of the evil it is doing to children and the evil consequences it will have for our continuing freedom.
(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...
Ping. This is an interesting video.
Your posts are often like chocolate chip cookies...
...with little flecks of crap embedded within.
So much of what you post is good. But there's enough crap in it to make most people throw the whole mess in the garbage.
Fletcher J is wrong to make insinuations regarding the brief homeschooling of Mr. Lanza. But in that you've piggy-backed onto my post, let me make clear that no one should think that I wish to be associated with your lunatic rantings. You are the mirror image of some of the bird-brain anti-homeschoolers around here.
sitetest
Seriously,....I reviewed my post to you. Just exactly was so inflammatory in this post?
As for the word, “prison”, that I used in the post, the thread is about how much government schools resemble prisons.
If you do not want me to respond to your posts for the remainder of this thread, I would be happy to do that. Beyond that you would need to remind me since I might forget any request that required long term action.
It is evident from you post that you know very well my philosophic standing regarding government schooling. I believe they oppress the freedom of conscience and First Amendment Rights of the student, parent, and taxpayer. Whether the outcomes of any government school are good, bad, ugly, or indifferent, they should be abolished because they crush the human spirit and endanger our nation’s continuing freedom.
If this is like chocolate chip cookies mixed with little flakes of scat, then you are complete free to avoid my posts. Unlike the government schools I have no police power to force you to read them.
I couldn't care less whether or not you respond to my posts.
What's so inflammatory about your posts? ROTFLMAO!! I've pinged bizarro-wintertime, one of your near mirror-images, to provide details, if the poster is so inclined.
You are to be pitied if you truly don't know.
“If this is like chocolate chip cookies mixed with little flakes of scat, then you are complete free to avoid my posts.”
I generally do. Pass right over them. But since you replied to one of my posts, I didn't want to leave readers with the misimpression that I agree with your more lunatic assertions.
sitetest
I was unaware that my posts to you irritated you. Now that I do I will not post to you. If in the future I should forget this resolution, and you do not wish to be contacted, please remind me and I will fully honor your request.
Respectfully and politely,
Wintertime
I didn’t ask you to refrain from posting to me.
It seems to me more like that YOU don't want to converse with ME.
Whatever.
And why don’t you take a refresher course in basic logic?
sitetest
sitetest, I guessed correctly that I’d get the old “no true Scotsman” defense... lol
After all, I’m sure that if Adam was a hero who stopped the attack, he’d be a “HOMESCHOOLER!”, right? With non-stop celebratory postings on the “another reason to homeschool” ping list? But since he was instead the lunatic murderer, Adam was really just a public school kid with “brief homeschooling”, not a “real” homeschooler. ;)
Since I didn’t actually blame homeschooling for the tragedy, I won’t apologize for my “insinuations”. I just couldn’t resist the petty pleasure in pointing that factual tidbit out to wintertime, to watch the mental gymnastics from a true obsessive. I support school choice and know & love lots of great homeschool families,
Fletcher J
I understand. I merely responded in kind.
A false dichotomy is being raised. Life does not happen in a vacuum. To say that is is either the homeschooling or public schooling is in error. We need to examine the facts before we jump to any conclusions (As many have already done).
How much was due to being in a broken home? How much was due to playing violent video games for hours on end alone in a dark windowless basement? How much was due to his own psychosis?
This failure of logic demands a response. Kids are removed from schools for exactly 3 reasons in order:
1) They pose a serious threat of danger to other students.
2)They pose a danger to themselves through the inappropriate use of school equipment to themselves.
3) They pose a thread of danger to members of the faculty or staff.
Students are always placed in alternative placements before referral to the disciplinary committee for expulsion.
Now if any of these students that wintertime knows so well from her congregation had went to school and committed a heinous act that would be perfect fodder for her to notify Metmom with ARTH ping.
Must be nice to be able to be right no matter the outcome.
I respectfully request that you not ping me or send private mail to me. Please feel free to comment as you like, even using my name, but, please, no contact.
Politely and respectfully,
wintertime
Sometimes this causes confusion because by asking metmom to ping this ARTH list, some posters think that this is the main point that I am making. It usually isn't.
In this thread, my major point is to ask what does treating students like prisoners do to the child and what are the consequences, later in the polling booth, for our nation's freedom.
While I surely do believe that homeschooling is the most ideal situation for children, it isn't always the most ideal given the parents’ situation. Parents should be able to choose among a wide variety of private options that best suit the needs of their children.
I do hold that government schooling should be abolished. We must begin the process of privatizing all of it. ( For all the emotional, spiritual, and political reasons I frequently mentioned. ) I believe they are evil for the child and a threat to our nation's freedom.
This “article” is an opinion piece, not news and belongs in personal/bloggers not in the news section and until it gets moved to the appropriate space should just be ignored.
Sorry you missed the point.
sitetest
“This failure of logic demands a response.”
It's not a failure of logic. It may be inaccurate, but it's not a failure of logic.
However...
“Kids are removed from schools for exactly 3 reasons in order:”
Maybe in your parallel universe.
Some years back, we saw a group of kids enter our own loose homeschooling community who, it turns out, were dumped by the local public schools. Strongly encouraged by the administrations of their public schools to leave the public school system for homeschooling..
sitetest
What was the reason given for the "dumping"? 17 Years of teaching in 3 different States and those are the only reasons I have ever seen.
I didn’t miss the point, I disagreed with it.
What do you think the point of the post was that I intended?
The ostensible reason, or the more likely real reason?
sitetest
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