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To: lowbridge
This probably will not win me any friends here but it needs to be said. The expressed desire to own, and the expressed 'need' for high-power automatic are essentially based in the paradigm that free men need to be able to combat and overcome a repressive, anti-freedom government. That the state possesses such over-whelming firepower that free men need to balance the books.

The problem is that Communists took over this country four years ago and are now firmly and completely in command,.........without ever having fired a shot.

The Right in this country can arm itself to the teeth,..........but those weapons will never be used. There will never be another armed American revolution. You know it and I know it. The other side doesn't fight with guns,.....they fight with rigged elections, deceit, deception, lies, and victims.

My suggestion is that we give on this point. It seems self-damaging not too. I don't ever like giving into the Left or going against the Constitution but really,.....no one needs an AR-15. You never use it. It may make you feel more secure, but unless you're willing to take the consequences that will surely come with opening up on military forces, it's pointless.

Naturally, it is possible, and conceivable that such a weapon could be useful in killing predators after the collapse of the country,....I won't deny it. Those who are stockpiling against this eventual collapse may find use for such a weapon but I see it being used for protection, not for violent revolution.

If you're thinking is I'm going to need such a weapon to kill as many government thugs as I can when they come for my guns,.......I don't think they will ever try to openly confiscate guns. They're way too smart for that. They'll just take you out through arrest and the courts on some other grounds.

Meanwhile, while we like it or not the Left makes us look like kooks and gun nuts who are the criminals and mental defectives when in truth it is the Left and their policies that have driven us to protect ourselves.

14 posted on 12/25/2012 10:09:37 AM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Doc Savage
I don't ever like giving into the Left or going against the Constitution but really,.....no one needs an AR-15.

You are an idiot.

I'd say more, but why?

16 posted on 12/25/2012 10:17:43 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Doc Savage

Your post makes an interesting point but you have a primary error in your logic: you persist in using the word “need” in reference to a Right. Your position might deserve some consideration but I keep running into the conflict between those terms.


18 posted on 12/25/2012 10:27:24 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Doc Savage

“My suggestion is that we give on this point. It seems self-damaging not too. I don’t ever like giving into the Left or going against the Constitution but really,.....no one needs an AR-15. You never use it. It may make you feel more secure, but unless you’re willing to take the consequences that will surely come with opening up on military forces, it’s pointless.”

If you give in on that point, no others will matter, and then living itself will be pointless.

“There will never be another armed American revolution. You know it and I know it.”
Actually, you are assuming that. You don’t know that anymore than you know what color socks the man down the street will put on tomorrow.

“Meanwhile, while we like it or not the Left makes us look like kooks and gun nuts who are the criminals and mental defectives when in truth it is the Left and their policies that have driven us to protect ourselves.”
If all the elections are rigged, the enemy uses deceit, etc, what use it to care about political perceptions? Assuming you are correct, it is useless to persist in bleating at the ballot box and giving a damn whether you elect liberal R or Commie D.

I do have a question- if you believe what you posted, then why are you even on this forum?


20 posted on 12/25/2012 11:23:50 AM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Doc Savage

Doc, you are right......what you said will not win me any friends here. You are also confusing a want or need with a right given to us by our creator.


22 posted on 12/25/2012 12:37:22 PM PST by Paperpusher
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To: Doc Savage; ConradofMontferrat
Go to DU to seek out your snuggle-buddy, Gillibrand. We don't tolerate cop-outs and turncoats here. To paraphrase ConradofMontferrat, you "just burned a very big bridge".

Sad end to a long FR career...

23 posted on 12/25/2012 12:43:25 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: Doc Savage
My suggestion is that we give on this point. It seems self-damaging not too.

YOU are the problem...you worry more about your image than about your core ideals.

24 posted on 12/25/2012 5:04:28 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Doc Savage

Never give one tenth of an inch on our gun rights under the Second Amendment. The left always says it’s “reasonable” to respond to a horrible violent crime by restricting the type of firearm they can tie to the crime, plus the left invents a shocking way to describe the item, Saturday night special, military style assault weapon, high capacity magazine, cop killer bullets...

The socialist left never gives up and will take away every means of self-defense/sporting arm, deterrence to tyranny until we are unarmed serfs. We must fight the first step now with no retreat. The very fact the left is so relentless on the issue shows they fear any and all resistance to the subjugation of us which is the left’s goal.

Sure, resisting the state’s military and police is a daunting task, but the fact we have some arms gives them pause. The few Jews of Warsaw kept the Waffen SS divisions at bay for weeks and weeks with a few rifles and pistols. Freedom and dignity is worth dying for.


25 posted on 12/25/2012 7:48:01 PM PST by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: Doc Savage
.no one needs an AR-15

That's beside the point. Who "needs" a $50,000.00 vehicle, a $1,000,000.00 home, a $100,000.00 pleasure craft, a $250,000.00 motorhome, etc., etc., etc.?

27 posted on 12/26/2012 5:28:08 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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