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N.R.A. Envisions ‘a Good Guy With a Gun’ in Every School
New York Times ^ | December 21, 2012 | ERIC LICHTBLAU and MOTOKO RICH

Posted on 12/22/2012 6:42:18 PM PST by billorites

After a weeklong silence, the National Rifle Association announced Friday that it wants to arm security officers at every school in the country. It pointed the finger at violent video games, the news media and lax law enforcement — not guns — as culprits in the recent rash of mass shootings.

“The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” Wayne LaPierre, the N.R.A. vice president, said at a media event that was interrupted by protesters. One held up a banner saying, “N.R.A. Killing Our Kids.”

The N.R.A.’s plan for countering school shootings, coming a week after the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., was met with widespread derision from school administrators, law enforcement officials and politicians, with some critics calling it “delusional” and “paranoid.” Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, a Republican, said arming schools would not make them safer.

Even conservative politicians who had voiced support this week for arming more school officers did not rush to embrace the N.R.A.’s plan.

Their reluctance was an indication of just how toxic the gun debate has become after the Connecticut shootings, as gun control advocates push for tougher restrictions.

Nationwide, at least 23,000 schools — about one-third of all public schools — already had armed security on staff as of the most recent data, for the 2009-10 school year, and a number of states and districts that do not use them have begun discussing the idea in recent days.

Even so, the N. R. A’s focus on armed guards as its prime solution to school shootings — and the group’s offer to help develop and carry out such a program nationwide — rankled a number of lawmakers on Capitol Hill.

“Anyone who thought the N.R.A. was going

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To: billorites; All

Common sense would dictate that schools should have a “security officer” in plain clothes - instead of posting a sign outside which says “Gun Free Zone” .. giving criminals a reason to attack an unarmed place. A person with a concealed weapon (in plain clothes) would not be frightening to the children, but would allow for a person with weapons training to be on staff.

And .. a lot of people who might qualify are already getting a pension, etc., therefore, they might not be as expensive to employ as other people needing full-time work.

I have it on good authority (a former Navy Seal), that you can learn to handle a weapon in 10 minutes - good enough to allow you to hit a person who is endangering your life.

While I might hit them in the leg or the arm .. it just might be good enough to allow for another better shot - or it might totally stun the other person and cause them to drop their gun and run.

Remember too, the people who yell the loudest about banning guns are the ones who “conceal carry” their security personnel - and themselves. In other words; it’s okay for me but not for thee.


21 posted on 12/22/2012 7:52:30 PM PST by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: billorites

NRA envisions a Big Brother to protect every school.

SCREW the NRA! They are not even making a secret their desire to enslave us!


22 posted on 12/22/2012 7:52:30 PM PST by Waywardson (I did not vote for that pro-abortionist candidate!)
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To: billorites

We have armed guards to protect the banks money, why not protect our even more precious children?


23 posted on 12/22/2012 8:28:12 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The one thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that crminals will always get them.)
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To: billorites

Gun-free zones killing our kids!


24 posted on 12/22/2012 8:42:27 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Paladin2
The best answer to people that scoff at this idea is that schools are the only government owned/operated "gun free" zones not protected by armed security.

I recently visited the FAA FSDO in Renton WA and the place had barriers at all the parking lot exits, only one public entrance with metal detectors and several armed security guards. They were contractors, but they were well equipped.

25 posted on 12/22/2012 9:10:57 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: billorites

LOTS of good-guys with guns. That’s what any sane pioneer community would have agreed upon as soon as anything so wicked as a school massacre got floated as a genuine possibility. You’d get a posse. And even the older kids would be part of it.


26 posted on 12/22/2012 9:14:45 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
One of the commenters even says “and who will guard the guards?”

He may be on to something. Why not put two or more trained armed guards in every school, some schools are very big. I'd volunteer my time, except I live in Illinois where only the elite and other criminals can be armed.

27 posted on 12/22/2012 10:28:40 PM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: Waywardson
SCREW the NRA! They are not even making a secret their desire to enslave us!

It appears you hate the NRA as much as the leftist trash does. Coincidence?

28 posted on 12/22/2012 10:32:51 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; billorites

Why not push for legislation requiring all non firearms owners to post a sign on their door informing the public of the fact?


29 posted on 12/22/2012 10:37:18 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: billorites
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30 posted on 12/23/2012 4:23:40 AM PST by MtnMan101
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To: Alaska Wolf

funny few want to


31 posted on 12/23/2012 11:03:34 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Alaska Wolf; Waywardson

I’d agree a “full cop” isn’t needed and sounds like a Big Brotherly overkill. The NRA has tried in the past to play off of leftist prejudices and has only gotten honest people stung for their troubles. (Like mandatory 5 year prison sentences for on-paper “gun crimes,” trying to buy off the monster.)


32 posted on 12/23/2012 11:06:43 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The NRA has tried in the past to play off of leftist prejudices and has only gotten honest people stung for their troubles

The NRA isn't perfect, but the organization has done more to promote, save and defend gun rights, and promote gun safety and education than any other organization. You and I may not believe or like it, but gun rights have become a political football and the game is being played in Washington D.C. Without the NRA lobby, I seriously doubt most of us could legally purchase or own a handgun today.

33 posted on 12/23/2012 11:21:17 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf

I ain’t here to blast NRA with a broad brush. (To mix a metaphor with a Kitchen Aid Mixmaster.) Still they ain’t oracles of perfection and it’s fine to disagree with particular pronouncements of theirs.


34 posted on 12/23/2012 11:31:23 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
they ain’t oracles of perfection

I already posted that. Who has done more to preserve and defend the 2nd Amendment?

35 posted on 12/23/2012 12:04:51 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: billorites

The teacher’s unions envision some sort of magical force field surrounding the school that guns cannot pass through, crating a “sanctuary” where there simply are no guns to worry about.


36 posted on 12/23/2012 12:18:37 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Good, let’s keep them on the straight and narrow so they don’t squander themselves any worse than they have.

Guards, yeah. Cops, a sop and an overkill.


37 posted on 12/23/2012 1:25:55 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: cripplecreek

I’m agreeing that armed school guards won’t stop a determined individual.
Too many opportunities to shoot a group of kids to be effective short of arming the kids themselves.


38 posted on 12/23/2012 2:09:48 PM PST by Morris70
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To: billorites

It’s interesting that the Slimes puts ‘good guy’ in scare quotes.

More good guys with guns are exactly what we need.


39 posted on 12/23/2012 2:11:26 PM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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To: Morris70

Better to allow school staff to be armed if they wish without designating 1 person. Just the possibility that someone may be armed is about all the real deterrent there will ever be. Even if no one is armed, a threat wouldn’t have any reason to know it.


40 posted on 12/23/2012 2:38:06 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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