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To: Hoodat
The Republic is lost.

The Republic was lost long before Boehner offered to push the debt limit fight off for another year.

Obama has won twice now. He RAN on raising taxes AND spending gobs of money we don't have. The public approve of him. Worse, the public not only like him, they WANT to continue to like him and give him every benefit of the doubt. The American public is primed to blame Republicans if their taxes go up, and all the GOP feels it can really do now is avoid a catastrophic political defeat. The American people are simply NOT with us.

Yes, we have the House. Some take solace in that. The ugly truth is we held that purely due to gerrymandering. More people voted for a Democratic House candidate than a Republican one - by over a million votes.

We've likely already crossed the tipping point. There are just too many takers and non producers voting themselves more freebies. Our immigrants don't care about this country by and large, and simply vote for the socialist candidates they voted for back home (Mexico mostly).

So no, Boehner isn't the main problem. He's not charismatic and not persuasive, but it is unlikely anyone else could take over and do much better at this particular point in time. The problem is, the public agrees with Obama and the Democrats more than us. There is not a silent majority of traditional Americans out there ready to rise up and save the republic. That time has passed. We are a European social welfare state now, and will likely follow Greece's path down the crapper.

46 posted on 12/16/2012 5:39:06 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969
Obama has won twice now. He RAN on raising taxes AND spending gobs of money we don't have. The public approve of him. Worse, the public not only like him, they WANT to continue to like him and give him every benefit of the doubt.

That's about the size of it.

67 posted on 12/16/2012 6:10:55 PM PST by ecomcon
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To: Longbow1969
Obama ran on raising “Other Peoples” taxes. Of course, what goes around comes around...
85 posted on 12/16/2012 6:31:55 PM PST by MRadtke (Light a candle or curse the darkness?)
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To: Longbow1969; Hoodat
Obama has won twice now. He RAN on raising taxes AND spending gobs of money we don't have. The public approve of him. Worse, the public not only like him, they WANT to continue to like him and give him every benefit of the doubt. The American public is primed to blame Republicans if their taxes go up, and all the GOP feels it can really do now is avoid a catastrophic political defeat. The American people are simply NOT with us.

Correction, much less than half of the voting public voted Obama into office.

Many millions of eligible voters did not vote for President this election cycle.

If the GOP want's to win elections in the future, it will have to field candidates that are actually conservative and whose record isn't as left-wing as every current Democrat Senator such as Mitt Romney's was with his implementation of Gay Marriage, his support for the Gay Agenda, his support for Abortion, his support for Global Warming, his total lack of limited government credentials where his record is concerned, his repudation of Reagan, and his total inability to communicate conservative ideals.

The GOP and Independents are waiting for the GOP-E to quit playing games, close the primaries and nominate conservatives (Fiscal, Social, and Military) for a change, then our party has a fighting chance, NOT with crappy candidates like Mitt Romney, John McCain, and Bob Dole, and half-conservatives like GWB. These are the type of candidates who long-term destroy our party.
97 posted on 12/16/2012 6:56:29 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: Longbow1969

“So no, Boehner isn’t the main problem. He’s not charismatic and not persuasive, but it is unlikely anyone else could take over and do much better at this particular point in time. The problem is, the public agrees with Obama and the Democrats more than us. There is not a silent majority of traditional Americans out there ready to rise up and save the republic. That time has passed. We are a European social welfare state now, and will likely follow Greece’s path down the crapper.”

Can’t really argue with anything you wrote. America is turning away from freedom, from its traditions, heritage and its past, and there’s not much traditional Americans can really do about it.

In view of recent events (which occurred only a few miles away from me), looks like the fight to preserve the Second Amendment is in serious trouble, as well.

When I see your posts, I pay close attention. In view of what you wrote above, what do believe is left for conservatives in America? What would you do, for yourself and those close?


119 posted on 12/16/2012 8:17:12 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: Longbow1969
Obama has won twice now. He RAN on raising taxes AND spending gobs of money we don't have. The public approve of him. Worse, the public not only like him, they WANT to continue to like him and give him every benefit of the doubt. The American public is primed to blame Republicans if their taxes go up, and all the GOP feels it can really do now is avoid a catastrophic political defeat. The American people are simply NOT with us.

Yes, we have the House. Some take solace in that. The ugly truth is we held that purely due to gerrymandering. More people voted for a Democratic House candidate than a Republican one - by over a million votes.


You're right, but that's the ugly truth that nobody wants to face.

We need to eliminate all the national GOP "leaders" who have sold us out and damaged our ability to reach beyond these narrow walls. Starting with Weeping Willow.

After fifteen years as an independent, I'm re-registering as a Republican. They won't listen to us if we're not in their little club, so let's see if they can ignore us when we carry the right little card in our wallets.
160 posted on 12/17/2012 6:57:20 AM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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