Posted on 12/16/2012 2:07:20 PM PST by absalom01
Some people are a threat to themselves, and others, and at present, there is no medical treatment to fix that. So now, we're forced to listen to the same liberals who insisted on deinstitutionalization that we have to disarm society to make ourselves safe from the psychotics they themselves set loose.
When the greatest generation and the silent generation created NOW, it really had an effect on women, and then families.
I think that Cramer is dead-on with his analysis.
Unfortunately for this "relationship," the murder rate rose through 1980 and has since declined. We are now just about back to where we were in 1960.
Interesting table: http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
I agree with that conclusion as well.
During the research I mentioned above I went on a tangent (as often happens when I start researching!)about mental institutions of our past. I did learn a lot about the various views our society has had about mental illness and how we dealt with it- it’s always been a very touchy subject and has eluded any solution. Today we medicate enormous numbers of our people who may well have been locked up in the past. Is that a good or bad thing? I don’t know.
The point though- that we haven’t really paid attention to our sick people- is a valid one. I mean I never wondered about it either until the last few years. Suddenly, while reading about the THOUSANDS of people who used to be “put away” I wondered...what the hell happened to them? I found we let them out and then just dealt with the circumstances and consequences as they come up. Since the 70’s we’ve kind of ignored them except when they act out.
Like everything else now- we are so divided I can’t imagine a cohesive, caring and sensible policy toward people like Alan Lanza.
The story here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2969335/posts?page=1
says this kid was on Fanapt, a schizophrenia drug.
Unsurprised.
But, he did what he thought was right and didn't waver. Even his mother, my aunt, another staunch Baptist, tried to dissuade him from remaining married to her, that she was never capable of being a wife to him from the very outset and that he was deceived into the marriage, therefore it was not valid.
He stayed with her until he left this world. I doubt I could have done it, myself.
We are dealing more and more with the demonic here.
This kind of thing isn’t new. Check out what Howard Unruh did in Camden NJ one day in Sept. 1949.
I believe that the truth is that the former inmates did not all have any one fate. Some were taken in and cared for by family, some became wards of the criminal justice system, and a large number met any one of a number of grisly (often at the hands of other former inmates) and/or sad ends. Improved pharmacology has meant that more than in the 1950s, can live a more or less normal life as long as they take their meds. So while closing the asylums was not an unmitigated good, neither would reopening them.
Around the turn of the 20 th century, Indians were still scalping and beheading people, even families out west. Quite a few weird murders too. I read quite a few accounts not long ago while reading newspapers from the 1890s while researching Great Lakes shipping.
Congress needs to open up hearings on the treatment of mental illness. This has to be a national discussion.
Only by the grace of God
You either didn’t read or didn’t understand the article. He’s quite clear on the fact that deinstitutionalization of the mentally contributed to the rising homicide rate of the 60’s, 70’ and 80’s and that the rising imprisonment movement of the 90’s decreased the murder rate.
Because the mentally ill are now in prisons instead of mental institutions.
It doesn’t solve the rampage killer problem however if a mentally ill person’s first contact with mental health or law enforcement is after the rampage as is often the case now that it is practically impossible to get mental health care or hospitalization for your unfriendly neighborhood psychotic until they kill somebody.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2969335/posts?page=1
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nancy-lanza-feared-son-adam-worse-article-1.1221505
Neither link mentioned fanapt when I tried to find it.
I should have saved off the web page, they’ve deleted it.. They say they updated the story at 10:37pm.
There is no doubt the the earlier version included a picture of a man they identified as Jonathan Lanza, an uncle, and the quote in my post 106 in that thread. There was a paragraph or two from him.
Here, this article says much the same.
Obama’s fault more than anything from what I am reading.
Basically, we have been Losing America's Multi-Generational Purpose. Loss of a natural functional sense of purpose will effect different psychological types in different ways--all destructive, but not all violent. But look at some of the clues that we can discern about the origins of the sort of bizarre suicidal rage that we have seen--the particular targeting of religious students in some of the atrocities; the targeting, here, of the most innocent groups in the school--those still not corrupted by the vices of our society.
Is there not evidence of a satanic rage against those who still offer the possibility of some form of redemption for our people?
In psychologically healthier times; times when men defined their manhood in terms of a Chivalric code--where they measured themselves against others in their willingness to protect women & children, for a clear example of the point; did we have, even among the most irrational or debased, these same tendencies--or, if we did, to the same degree?
All sentient beings, both human and the more intelligent species of animals, display characteristics, which today are demonized by a cultural war on nature; in the human case, actually coupled with a totally insane war, not only on normal sex roles, but on public displays related to Faith & the acknowledgement that we are answerable for our conduct. Is this creating a void, which drives certain personality types over the edge; that what we witness is the insane rage of those denied constructive focus?
It is certainly not caused by the availability of tools, that others maintain to defend family, property & heritage. The most "successful" sociopathic atrocities, for that matter, involved not guns, but fertilizer, or boxcutters & airplanes.
William Flax
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