‘I am Adam Lanza’s mother’

Washington Post ^ | 12/16/12 | David Beard

[Pajamajan]

When the fire departments and hospitals first announced the “Safe Surrender” program where you could drop off your baby- no questions asked- there were several stories of parents trying to drop off their mentally ill children. They didn't have any other alternatives.

[kabumpo]

I think that if there is appalling ignorance, it is on your part. You don’t have to agree with Laing, Cooper, et al - but it doesn’t make sense to repudiate them without having read them. Also, none of what I said had anything to do with sugar or nutrition, but that’s ok - when an argument is over your head, make like a Dem and hurl irrelevant slurs.

[Gene Eric]

>> such an individual can make life living hell for a family

No question about that.

Your point about the necessary availability of institutional resources is well made.

[GladesGuru]

“The Lanza perp was over 18. His mother could not “institutionalize” him against his will unless he was found by a court to be a danger to himself or others. Obviously, we know now that he was dangerous, but there’s no way to prove that until he actually demonstrated it. We don’t lock people up pre-emptively.”

The mother could have filed criminal charges long ago, but refused. Her having decided not to press crtiminal charges meant she was rendering herself helpless in the eyes of teh law because she wanted to shield her boy from the obvious insanity issues he was acting out.

She could have fiked said criminal cahrge and then had him institutionalized, but didn’t.

That doomed her and many others.

I should have made the tine lime issue more clear. Sorry for the confusion.

I meant “Libtards” because it is succinct and accurate. Same with WhackoBoy, because it is descriptive and he evidently was a nutter since childhood.

Yes, the terms are derisive, and meant to be. Nobody has the right to foist the probably criminally insane off on an unsuspecting public.

She so did, to protect her little nutter. Her little nutter killed her - her choice/consequence.

But - her little nutter then kills many others. Those others could not make an informed choice to take the risk nutter posed but they were deliberately not informed by nutter’s mother.

You may respect people who willingly expose others to lethal threats without proper disclosure. I choose not to afford “respect” where none is due.

However, I must remind you my discussion is serious. My proposed solutions:
1. Allow Constitutional Carry - under which teachers could have exercised their Natural Law Right to protect themselves. As the Roman Law put it “Force may be met with force.” To disarm anyone leaves them helpless against the non law abiding.
2. Accept that society is not responsible for the genetically damaged such as this boy, and pass laws such that those not making known psychotic risks known are liable for damages done by the person they protected.
Use the legal principle under which the get away driver is as responsible as the trigger puller.

Of the two proposals above, I prefer the first. The second requires that we trust government trough feeders to make psychiatric decisions when the whole field is mostly soft and astonishingly little science.

Given that the disaster came to pass in Connecticut, is is ironic in the extreme that a Connecticut company makes what is needed to prevent another such disaster from occurring. I refer, of course, to Smith & Wesson.

In closing, the Israeli’s had an attack on a school in 1973, IRRC. Since then, the Israel policy has prevented ANY school shootings. They require teachers to be armed, and even the older students.

That works. What America’s Libtards, commies, and education goonion members has foisted off on us is in failure mode.

Summation: Guard students like the Israeli’s do.

[Mr. C]

“You’re being set up....” and I thought I was the only one who feels that way ....

[Jedidah]

What crime would you have had the mother charge Lanza with?

[arasina]

Several weeks ago, The New York Times Magazine section ran a brilliant article on child psychopaths/sociopaths and the research that scientists, doctors and psychoanalysts are doing on them. They are trying to help them when they are very, very young to curb them from a life of violence.

Below is a post by FReeper fs301 on a thread I was reading yesterday:

Childhood abuse and neglect can result in a cold blooded murderous rage. The following video documentary is of an adopted girl who had been abused by her birth parents at a very young age... an age at which many might believe she should retain no memory of the abuse. The video is chilling and not safe for work:

YouTube Video "Child of Rage"

It's a 27-minute video and it is indeed chilling, but indicates there is hope if they treat them early. (not with drugs)

[arasina]

And she is dead on target that the elimination of treatment centers for mental health (aka "insane asylums") is the root cause of tragedies like the Newtown massacre -- not inanimate objects like guns.

While that is true, there is another side to committing people to mental institutions. Some people shouldn't be there and become imprisoned by the drugs they give them. I recommend a book entitled The Dark Threads by Jean Davison.

The true story of how a bright teenager was transformed into a zombie thanks to a cocktail of drugs and electric shock treatment for an illness she never had. Jean Davison lost years of her life when doctors misdiagnosed her mental state as chronic schizophrenia. Sucked into the psychiatric system, she eventually lost her job, her boyfriends and all self-esteem. But eventually she managed to break free. Told with humour and insight, using extracts from her medical case notes, Jean's memoir raises disturbing questions about psychiatric treatment in the sixites and seventies, which are still relevant today.

It's somewhat like the death penalty issue; you would never want to sentence to death an innocent person.

[GladesGuru]

“What crime would you have had the mother charge Lanza with?”

“Assault”, “Assault with a deadly weapon”, etc.

Actually, liability for one’s children’s acts exists now. If it could could be proven she deliberately concealed her child’s mental illness, a jury well might award damages because she prevented diagnosis of a “danger to public health and safety”.

All in all, a most

[Jedidah]

As best we know, Lanza was not violent until he opened fire in the school. How can you suggest that his dead mother should file charges against him for assault or assault with a deadly weapon?

So are you saying that you have knowledge or evidence that he ever assaulted anyone prior to his rampage on Friday?

If so, you should come forward with it.

[GladesGuru]

Children with such behavior issues virtually always threaten people, and attack others as well.

In this case, the mother has already suffered being killed, hopefully while she was taking a nap. And, the deeply disturbed son has killed himself.

Charges and penalties are, arguably, more appropriately the concern of the Upper Office.

[hummingbird]

"The young man at the college in Texas was an Eagle Scout..."

I think he also had a brain tumor. I understand you can still see where bullets hit the cement walkway near the tower.

What a world...

[hummingbird]

sfimom, thank you for posting your point-of-view. It sounds like a very tough situation.

God bless.

[Jedidah]

Well, finally you make sense. I agree completely.

You do realize that just a few posts ago you were arguing that Lanza’s mother was culpable for this tragedy because she didn’t file criminal charges against her son, because he might possibly have, at some time, although you have no absolutely no proof, threatened someone?

Perhaps we can agree that there are no easy answers as to how to deal with our neighbors who are mentally unhinged and potentially violent.

May the Lord grant the Newtown community an uncommon portion of peace and goodwill as they struggle through this.

[Chickensoup]

Childhood abuse and neglect can result in a cold blooded murderous rage. The following video documentary is of an adopted girl who had been abused by her birth parents at a very young age... an age at which many might believe she should retain no memory of the abuse. The video is chilling and not safe for work:

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But remember there does not need to be a horrible family background to breed a sociopath.

[Chickensoup]

Childhood abuse and neglect can result in a cold blooded murderous rage. The following video documentary is of an adopted girl who had been abused by her birth parents at a very young age... an age at which many might believe she should retain no memory of the abuse. The video is chilling and not safe for work:

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But remember there does not need to be a horrible family background to breed a sociopath. It is easy to look at sociopathy as a funcion of nurturence.

It is a lot harder to face the sociopathy that is geneticlly predispositioned.

[sfimom]

Thank you. You said what I was trying to convey with my emotional rant.

[arasina]

Your referenced comment is not my quote, but fso301's.

But remember there does not need to be a horrible family background to breed a sociopath.

I'm not a psychologist but I have read enough to say that I agree.

[fso301]

But remember there does not need to be a horrible family background to breed a sociopath. It is easy to look at sociopathy as a funcion of nurturence.

It is a lot harder to face the sociopathy that is geneticlly predispositioned.

I agree with that. Using cancer as an analogy, being genetically predisposed to a particular cancer does not change the fact that lifestyle/environment is an important variable to monitor and manage.

People without a known genetic predisposition can still develop a particular cancer due to their lifestyle/environment.

I'm not a medical professional but I have observed over the years that children in homes where the parents don't get along and ultimately split in a less than amicable manner can develop and manifest major emotional/behavioral issues.

A long time ago, someone advised me that pets will take on the personality of their owner. I have since observed that the behavior of a pet particularly in a household comprising two young adults can give a sense as to the nature of the adults relationship to one another. A "spastic" pet can indicate a relationship that from outward appearances is stable and happy is destined to split.

I guess what I'm getting at is a long held suspicion that home environments that while not meeting the definition of abusive can through instability, domestic intranquility and benign neglect result in children developing patterns of antisocial behavior.

[GladesGuru]

The Israel solution to school terror has been tested for a couple of months short of Forty Years - and during that time not one school attack occurred.

America should, make that “must” Man Up and do as Jefferson and the rest of the Founders suggested: “..be armed, for in such manner is tyranny kept in check”.

Allow Constitutional Carry. Then put a bounty on violent criminals. Crime will drop to the point where at least half of the police force can be fired.