Posted on 12/15/2012 5:00:43 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
Months before the Newtown massacre far left groups defeated a Connecticut mental health protections law. Counter Contempt reported:
Here’s a fact you might not know – Connecticut is one of only SIX states in the U.S. that doesn’t have a type of “assisted outpatient treatment” (AOT) law (sometimes referred to as “involuntary outpatient treatment”). There’s no one standard for these types of laws, but (roughly speaking) these are laws that allow for people with mental illness to be forcibly treated BEFORE they commit a serious crime. Whereas previous legal standards held that the mentally ill cannot be institutionalized or medicated until they harm someone or themselves, or until they express an immediate intent to do so, AOT laws (again, roughly speaking) allow for preventativeinstitutionalization or forced medication (I highly recommend reading the data cited in the link I provided in this paragraph, especially regarding what is known as “first episode psychosis”).
AOT laws vary state-by-state, and often bear the name of a person murdered by an untreated mentally ill person (“Kendra’s Law” in New York, “Laura’s Law” in California, etc.).
Earlier this year, Connecticut considered passing an AOT law (and a weak one, at that), and it failed, due to protests from “civil liberties” groups.
“It is not known yet if he was under the treatment of a psychiatrist”
I wonder if the 25 year old who killed his father and father’s girlfriend with a bow and arrow, then killed himself (Nov 30 Wyoming) had the same psychiatrist.
He drove from Vernon, Ct to Wyoming to kill
VERNON, Conn. — A man who police say killed his father, a woman and himself in Wyoming on Friday told a neighbor in Connecticut weeks before the killings that he believed his father gave him Asperger’s syndrome and said his dad should be “castrated” to prevent him from having more children.
I believe it was teddy kennedy who beat the drum the loudest for closing the mental hospitals. I think some research on this is in order
your right. The point is what was she supposed to do with him? as an adult she couldn’t force him to get help. she can’t tie him up in the basement. maybe she should have gotten rid of her guns but whose to say he couldn’t have gotten more some where else? I’m waiting to hear more about the mother and what kind of help she sought for her son. if she tried and was not getting any help there will be hell to pay.
Just an observation, but we might all be shocked to find around 20k of these “Adam-kids” wandering around the US currently. Some are medicated...some are not. The parents are quietly growing older and simply pretending that things are manageable and the ‘kid’ will grow into their twenties and thirties....living at home...and be ‘safe’. In this naive state....we are all living amongst sleeping zombies...waiting for them to awaken.
I hope they dont blame this act on home schooling. Home schooling generally is better than government schools/s
The far left bleeding hearts are why we are not allowed to commit Sociopaths before they commit crimes when we know each and every one of them will eventually do these sort of things.
These facts are known by the politicians.
These side effects have been acknowledged by the drug companies.
One begins to wonder if the fascists in our gov’t - who know the first step in taking over a country is the necessity of stripping citizens of their guns - didn't go to the drug companies and make a deal to develop these drugs - for this purpose. The fact that these gun-controllers, from the president on down, were loud and clear in demanding gun-control, using this tragedy for their agenda, while those little bodies were still in that school speaks volumes!
Yes, such evil exists. It operates on such high levels because decent people can't conceive of such raw evil.
We need to acknowledge it.
We need to let our politicians and media KNOW we know - and know THEY know - and demand they answer us individually.
BAN THESE DRUGS...and those that demand gun-control. They are even more dangerous.
anyone out there who has a not quite right child, believe me, its a total heartbreak for your life.....especially since this guy seemed to be really really abnormal....even his looks....
One of the problems is that doctors, seeing the impossibility of hospitalizing patients (especially adolescents), tend to hand out drugs like candy hoping that will do something to control the patient. Many of these drugs should really be used only under close supervision, but that’s not possible.
Adolescents present a particular problem because that is often the time when the serious mental disorders suddenly appear (schizophrenia, etc.) and yet while there were once entire hospitals that specialized in caring for and attempting to treat adolescent patients (California had a gem of a hospital for this purpose, prior to deinstitutionalization) there is really nothing doctors can do now except order a brief (3-day) committment when the child gets suicidal or violent - and give them drugs. I had a friend whose manic-depressive son went through years of brief committments and finally, a few hours after the last one, did manage to kill himself. The family, in the meanwhile, had virtually lived in the emergency room or at the police station; they were completely destroyed, the parents divorced, and the other children in the family, who had never had decent childhoods themselves because everything was invested in caring for their older brother, were left bitter and alienated.
So in the case of your friend, a long term comittment at an adolescent facility might have helped her, because perhaps she really was more than a spoiled brat; or if she really was just a spoiled brat, this would have given everybody time to sort it out. Sometimes adolescents react better if they are out of a particular family environment. But handing out drugs is about all psychiatrists can do right now.
My objection is to givnig drugs for the minor (and, in my opinion, non-existent) disorders such as “ADD” and other mysterious “learning disorders,” which really are often just disciplinary or behavioral problems or at worst, developmental problems that would probably resolve themselves in a few years, especially with young children. In fact, giving them drugs probably interferes with their development and makes the problem worse.
So I agree that it’s true that sometimes parents who have created an uncontrollable and hostile child simply through poor upbringing are looking to drugs for a magical cure for the monster they have created. But at other times, there is a genuinely serious problem that may be exacerbated by poor parenting but is something that goes way beyond that and might be controllable by drugs - but certainly needs more comprehensive treatment than just the occasional handful of pills in an unsupervised environment.
Medications are not all bad. I have seen people whose lives were utterly tormented by paranoid hallucinations suddenly experience peace when the right combination of anti-psychotics was found. But this needs supervision, either in a full-time residential facility for the more fragile cases, or in some more open setting where there is still regular monitoring. When people are having an “episode,” they’re not pretending: they really do think they’re being stalked by monsters or that somebody is “listening to their brain waves” through their fillings, and they’re genuinely terrified and are not going to go for help voluntarily.
There are two ways that Prozac usage can negatively affect the likelihood of someone ding something terrible:
1. Depressed person develops suicidal/homicidal ideation, but the depressed state saps the person’s gumption to do anything about it. Anti-depressants fix the depression, but the suicidal ideation remains. My personal theory is that this affects children/young adults more commonly than adults simply because someone that young is unlikely to have any OTHER ideation to revert to: they’ve only known suicidal ideation.
2. ADHD is often comorbid with depression. Anti-depressants negate the stimulant effect of ADHD medications, such as amphetamines. If a kid quits taking his anti-depressants but continues to take his ADHD meds, he can get the worst sort of high you can imagine, which combined with depression can make someone desperate, violent and juiced up.
In neither case are the anti-depressants really the problem.
I do blame her somewhat, her being a teacher, had to know that when a child is not doing well in school to the point of removing him, that perhaps, he was bullied in school, she should have removed the guns from her house.
How many people like Adam, Goth types, have residual anger from being bullied, have shot up schools. Columbine comes to mind.
She isolated him thinking that was the best thing to do. But I suspect, he had a lot of built up anger at the school. Not sure though, why he targeted the little ones....
Mom has some share of blame here; and how involved was the father? Why was not he shot as well....
‘California had a gem of a hospital for this purpose - - -’
Would that have been in Ventura County, by any chance?
If so, many years ago it became a 2 year university, and now is a 4 year one . .
To me, some of the buildings are creepy - - - knowing them from the past, but is okay when unknown , I guess.
I agree, and ritalin and adderol. My son was tested for ADD in 8th grade and was said not to have it. The doctor wanted to put him on ritalin any way. I said no.
I also believe all depression/anxiety medications are over-prescribed. But I’m also against aricept for alzheimer’s, separate issue but it was given to my mother-in-law in a nursing home. The family wasn’t notified, I found out a year and a half later that she was on it, during that time she was hallucinating seeing dead people, crying, nasty, sweet..all ranges of emotions. I only found out she was on it because she needed a heart procedure and the surgeon at the hospital called me to say they had to take her off the aricept to do the procedure.
When I questioned her doctor at the nursing home as to why he put her on the aricept, he said and I quote, “She said she couldn’t remember some things from the past”...THAT WAS HIS TEST for her to be put on a mind-altering drug, and it did alter her mind..I’m sure the pharmaceutical salesmen reward the doctors well in these nursing homes to drug up the residents. I am a huge skeptic and possible cynic when it comes to doctors. After another year my mother-in-law got off the aricept but damage was done. Now she’s on cymbalta, lovely side effects with that..she’s still in and out of moods, incoherent, unable to have normal conversations (couldn’t with the aricept either), she was still coherent before the aricept took her mind away. I am livid over it all and helpless to do anything about it. I am caring for my dying mother 24/7.
Drugging little boys IMO may be creating the monsters we are seeing today. Not the only reason no doubt but a possible part of it all.
It was Agnews State, in Sta Clara County. They had a special division for adolescents, and it was one of the leading places in the country. Also, there was a short-term emergency adolescent psych medicine facility in SF, although I don’t remember the name now.
Strangely enough, looking at it as it is now, CA had one of the best mental health systems in the country. NY also had a good one.
Gov. Reagan dumped institutionalization in CA (although I read later that he regretted it) mostly at the advice of the ACLU, on the one hand, and the urgings of fiscal conservatives on the other. They obviously didn’t realize that the cost of free-range mentally ill would be a heck of a lot higher than any institutional costs.
I was living there when he did this, and it’s really the only thing that has made me not like Reagan. He was an excellent President, but this was a serious blight on his record as Governor.
I wondered after reading about the shooting how that kid knew how to shoot. Later I found out it was his mother who took the kid to the target range and got them to learn how to shoot. “She” trusted her kid with guns. Neighbors who knew the family said that the younger son was likely to committ such a crime: killing lots of people. It seems she is to blame.
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