Posted on 12/15/2012 10:03:16 AM PST by xsrdx
The gunman in the Newtown massacre had an "altercation" with four staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School the day before he killed 20 children, six adults and himself there, Connecticut and federal officials told NBC News Saturday.
Three of the four staff members were killed Friday in one of the worst school shootings in U.S. history. The fourth staff member was not at school that day and is being interviewed by federal and state investigators, NBC News’ Pete Williams said.
Two days before that, Adam Lanza, 20, went to a sporting goods store in Danbury, Conn., and tried to purchase a rifle, but was rebuffed because the state has a waiting period for gun sales, the officials said.
(Excerpt) Read more at usnews.nbcnews.com ...
“From “He shot everyone with the pistols - the rifle was in the trunk”
to
“He shot everyone with the rifle.”
When will any of these news sources get the story straight? It was bad enough yesterday, when it changed hour to hour, but it’s still changing materially today.”
Good questions.
Interesting article here.
http://www.edutopia.org/autism-school
Whatever the cause, there is no doubt about autism’s impact on public schools. Administrators face growing pressure from vocal and sophisticated parents who insist on state-of-the-art instruction, highly trained teachers, staff-to-student ratios as low as 1 to 1, and extensive support services such as speech and occupational therapy. When districts don’t deliver the programs parents demand, or pay for private school alternatives, families are increasingly willing to fight in administrative hearings and court.
That makes ASD more than an educational challenge for many districts; it’s also a legal nightmare. “Autism is a leading problem on the radar now and a leading source of lawsuits,” reports Bryna Siegel, an adjunct child and adolescent psychiatry professor and director of the University of California at San Francisco’s Autism Clinic.
The federal Individuals with Disabilities Education Act guarantees “free appropriate” education to all disabled students. But the government has never fully funded the act, and “appropriate” can mean one thing to a parent determined to get the very best for a child but something else entirely to an administrator juggling limited resources for a seemingly unlimited number of special needs, including autism as well as attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, learning difficulties, physical disabilities, and serious medical conditions (all of which are on the rise in public schools).
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Even merely adequate is expensive: A study by the Special Education Expenditure Project (conducted for the U.S. Department of Education) found that special classes, therapists, aides, transportation, and facilities for an autistic student cost an average of nearly $19,000 a year, or roughly triple the cost for a typical child. When districts go beyond adequate to establish intensive one-on-one programs or support a full array of speech, play, and occupational therapies, spending can skyrocket to $75,000 or more.
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Some parents, disappointed with their local offerings and unwilling or unable to send a child out of their district, upend their lives and move. After four disastrous years in Pennsylvania public schools, Rudy, the guide on About.com’s autism page, decided to teach her son herself. Last summer, the family moved to Massachusetts, which Rudy says has friendlier homeschool laws.
More often, parents pack up for a district they believe offers more than the one they’re in. Web forums buzz with opinions about specific schools and pleas from these searching nomads, often in a lingo that would baffle anyone unfamiliar with autism: For instance, a parent moving to New Jersey posted, “I am looking for small-group instructions with no aversives used, ABA-based, trained staff.”
Questions.
So what happened with the second arrest?
The mom didn’t work there, so did this guy have a kid there (if so, where’s the kids mother)?
How come they had all this info quick re: guns legal, lived in NJ, etc., yet they still had the wrong name and said it wasn’t known if he killed himself?
Where did his parents live?
What ‘mental illness’ did he have (since he did all that planning, even before he had the incident)?
You know — it’s no lie these kids are difficult. But I’ve got to ask the question ...where was the DAD?????
It is TOO MUCH for one parent to deal with a kid like this, espcially if he’s troubled and has Asbergers. But this is the typical BS — mom left to deal with it, day in, day out ...she’s got to work, has to get out of the house once in a while. Kid is left home to his own devices, and in this case, in his own crazy world. She probably knew he was wacked, but was either afraid of him or just plain exhausted from dealing with it alone.
Let’s face it ...our society is SICK. Why so many with Asberger’s as well? Anyone we try to ask THAT question, we are considered nut jobs as well.
I saw a closeup.They were Casey Anthony tears.
You posted: “What “heroic teachers”? ? ? What is heroic about huddling in a closet?”
Somewhat agree but where are they supposed to go if there is a gunman outside their door? I’d have had the kids go out the window if possible.
My answer is such a solution risks being shot in the back through the window used as an escape. The Romans knew, and it was part of their law, “Force may be met with force.”
In modern terms, that means armed citizens are the only ones on the scene of the crime and able to respond in time to save any lives. Donut munchers from some gubment police force can’t be on scene when needed.
“It is the right and duty of the citizen to be at all times, for in such manner is tyranny kept in check.”
The Founders knew this, but commies and cowards want to cower while better men/women than they protect them. Or so they claim.
What those wanting to infringe American 2nd Amendment guarantees actually want is to enslave the unarmed, a pattern repeated endlessly throughout history.
Switzerland, and then America, were the only exceptions to the long history of violent domination of the masses by kings, warlords, dictators, ad nauseam.
IIRC, their move was in 1998. Adam would have been entering first grade. maybe?! Ironic, isn't it, considering he took out twenty first-graders.
That thought has certainly crossed my mind.
Dittos on all points! Why are our young men going insane? Why the big increase in these types of conditions. A conspiratorial nut (like I tend to be sometimes) would wonder if perhaps China or Russia or another entity is somehow poisoning or mind controlling these children somehow to cause these maladies. What better way to render a country impotent, than to cause mental disabilities in 1 in 100 of their boys and future generations?
A crazy thought I know but something is going on! It also affects boys more than girls? Why?
http://areg.radioreference.com/20121214/1/201212140813-441506-7623.mp3
This whole situation still stinks to me. Listen to the police radio from above link and the 26 minute mark and forward. Whatever happened to the second perpetrator that was reported by a school employee?
Yes it matters because those were the people he went after.
What was even more obvious was on CNN when they said that the Bushmaster that was found in the trunk of the car was the “long gun” used to do the shootings —— huh ?!?!??
Very possible. The other thing I noticed is that this asberger and autism epidemic began around 1985 or in and around that time. It’s real and seems to affect higher income or educated individual’s children. I do think it is time for this country to have some serious discussions and research into this drastic jump in asbergers and autism.
Didn’t they take the BROTHER’S computer?
Hmmmm....
Really, little kids like this are very safe—especially in school.
Freepers at least ought to be rational enough to realize that this is an aberration with our millions of kids in school every day:
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20121215/NEWS03/121219448
He was evil. The question is not the reason he did this but the reason why he became a monster. Why was he evil?
Ditto's.
“The other thing I noticed is that this asberger and autism epidemic began around 1985 or in and around that time.”
Interesting. Any changes in care for pregnant women or newborns?
I know very little about autism and even less about asberger’s, but your posts on it have been informative because your observations seem to fit reports on Lanza I have seen.
He went after kindergarten kids.
He first went after the people with whom he had the altercation.
Then went after the children in the two nearby classrooms.
For some reason, I was thinking they divorced in late 90’s.
You are right. Pulled son out of school around the same time then. I read an article (prob pinged by you) that he was in school in 10th grade-— started after the beg of the school year and left before the end of the school year.
Maybe that was the school’s concern (re: PLANS)-— divorce & no father in the home.
Wonder why he would have started after the beg of that school year rather than the first day?
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