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How 'genius' honor student Adam Lanza became masked killer
Daily Mail ^ | 12/15/12

Posted on 12/15/2012 8:45:53 AM PST by BunnySlippers

Ms Conte called the ordeal 'sad' for Lanza and his family, and suggested that the violence is a portion of a much larger situation.

'Guns are easy to point to, but it's really a mental health issue.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; adamlanza; aspergers; autism; disorders; guncontrol; lanza; mentalhealth; mentalillness; newtown; protectbigpharma; psychiatry; sandyhook; sandyhookshooter; secondamendment
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To: BunnySlippers
Is there anyone who is so psychotic and pathological that you would say, “don’t let that man have a gun”?

Of course, but that is MY subjective opinion.

No, I've, as well as others here, have asked how to define it. And more importantly, who is going to define it.

Who would you trust with the ability to start denying God Given rights to others?

How about a "Rights" tsar?

The real point here us, if you can start taking rights from some because you or a majority think it is okay, especially in view of such a tragedy, then they're really not rights....are they? (FFA 1968 ring a bell?)

121 posted on 12/15/2012 10:48:21 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I do not do research on demand. Sorry you do not read the news on a regular basis.

It’s been here on FR and everyone decries the druggie parents. Yet you do not.


122 posted on 12/15/2012 10:49:26 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I cannot define it. And I admit it is a difficult issue. Perhaps never surmounted.


123 posted on 12/15/2012 10:51:23 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

So, you can’t possible be wrong, is that it?

I disagree, and I’m not wrong. Nana-nana-nyah!

You may as well have the last word (since that’s what this REALLY appears to be what it’s all about—being that you’re right and all). /S


124 posted on 12/15/2012 10:52:08 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: BunnySlippers
I read the news. Enough to know that children having access to firearms is much less of a problem than children left alone in bathtubs.

You can't find any data. So you make your emotional claim.

Anyone willing to give up my freedoms based on their emotion is a petulant facist.

/johnny

125 posted on 12/15/2012 10:52:15 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

But, the government ... our government, yours and mine, is threatening to take away our arms ... not our bathtubs.

How freaking stupid!!!


126 posted on 12/15/2012 10:54:58 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers
I felt under fire BEFORE Obama. During his second term I feel fear for the Constitution.

You mean like, first they came for the crazies but I thought it was a good idea so I supported it.

Then they came for the ones who were of a different political persuasion and found out I was one of them.

But THEY supported it so I guess it was okay...

127 posted on 12/15/2012 10:55:17 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Alas Babylon!

I merely I the courage of my convictions. Nothing more.


128 posted on 12/15/2012 10:56:16 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: chris37

Bump to an excellent post!


129 posted on 12/15/2012 10:56:55 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

No, but if you are wedded to that idea ... go with it.


130 posted on 12/15/2012 10:58:56 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers
And you are supporting that effort. BTW, don't put the banning bathtubs thing away just yet. They've managed to ban toilets that flush and light bulbs that light.

You are basing your willingness to give up MY rights on your emotional reaction to an event. I'll not stand for that.

/johnny

131 posted on 12/15/2012 10:59:39 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: BunnySlippers
the courage of my convictions.

Facts can help. Documented facts, which you seem short on.

/johnny

132 posted on 12/15/2012 11:01:01 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: BunnySlippers
Where did the shooter get the first gun that he used to kill his mother? Did his mother lock up her guns properly? If not, she certainly should have kept those guns locked up securely considering the severity of her son's mental problems. Lanza's mother may have enabled this massacre by not locking up her guns securely.

Regarding Mayor Bloomberg's comments: If the killer had instead stolen a UPS delivery truck and killed 26 people by driving it into a classroom, would Bloomberg be calling for tighter controls on commercial trucks? Of course not...instead he's be calling for improved mental health programs and more research into drugs to help mentally ill people. It's so obvious, but I'll say it again: If we make ownership of guns illegal, then only criminals will own guns and criminals of course do not follow the law and will use their guns to terrorize and slaughter the disarmed law-abiding people. Enough said...now settle down Bloomberg and try some logical thinking for a change. Possibly we need a way to prevent mentally-ill people from buying guns, but that has to be done very carefully with a strict definition of who is really mentally ill.

133 posted on 12/15/2012 11:02:04 AM PST by socialism_stinX (The national government is always the most dangerous organization in every country.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Hey, my plumber reversed CA law. And I have a closet full of 100 watt light bulbs.

Thank you for reminding me. We have 2 weeks to hoard 75 watt bulbs.

Rage. On your own.


134 posted on 12/15/2012 11:02:24 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers
I cannot define it. And I admit it is a difficult issue. Perhaps never surmounted.

Congrats, you have just rendered every argument you have made on this thread...moot!

135 posted on 12/15/2012 11:02:34 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Not really. i am merely acknowledging the possibly insurmountable odds.

You do not know g=how to debate.


136 posted on 12/15/2012 11:04:09 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Not really. i am merely acknowledging the possibly insurmountable odds.

You do not know how to debate.


137 posted on 12/15/2012 11:04:22 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers
If I was a mother who owned guns, and I am.  I would want to make sure my guns were not going to be used against me if my son was an obvious psychopath. Everyone has to gauge this for themselves. It is an individual judgement.

Yes, I see a duty to protect yourself, and a duty to protect the community as well.  And yes, I do believe folks have to judge these things for themselves.  When all is said and done, we mourn for these kids and adults, and those whose loss of them will be catrastrophic.  I feel a great deal of compassion for them.  None the less, we need to keep things in perspective.

We are a nation of 314 million people.  Of that 314 million, we have about 63 million school age (K-12th) children.  The CIA World Factbook states we have 32,050,686 male and 30,719,945 female children aged 0 to 14.  I believe it is safe to assume that there are roughly the same numbers from 5 to 18.  This year, there will wind up being something like a 0.000063492063% (@40) to 0.000158730159% (@100) chance in one of these kids being harmed during an incident like this.  We simply mustn't develop laws that negatively (restrictively) affect 99.999935% to 99.9998% of our populace, just to remedy a situation that affects so few.

That's not a caliced response.  It's a rational objective response.


Maybe she, as a smart woman, thought he was very normal, well adjusted and reasonable.


I suspect she had a pretty good idea what she had on her hands by that point.  I don't think anyone could forsee things going this wrong or they would have had the kid institutionalized.  (If they could.)

At some point you have to realize that in a population base our size, there is going to be the occasional wing-nut out there.

Was this kid assessed properly?  I'm not convinced, but then can you tell which kid will turn violent and which won't?  Sometimes there are no clear-cut answers.

It's tough to admit to ourselves, but there are some things you can't completely eliminate.  Sometimes life will suck terribly.

As children we had to come to terms with things we didn't like, but had to do anyway.  As adults, this still applies.

We should not accept everything that comes down the pike, but we should be adult enough to determine some things are simply unavoidable, if we wish to remain safe in our own homes, or as we go about our daily lives.  The chances are much greater that we or our family members will be victims of crimes in some manner (and even in this manner), than that one of our kids will die in one of these events.

Gun rights should be expanded to the capable law-abiding citizen, rather than restricted further.


138 posted on 12/15/2012 11:05:31 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: socialism_stinX

Straw man.


139 posted on 12/15/2012 11:05:51 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers
No, but if you are wedded to that idea ... go with it.

As another poster on this thread pointed out, you meet arguments that illustrate the fallacy of your point with sarcastic dribble.

You're a waste of time, when they come for yours, don't expect a lot of sympathy from those who tried to warn you.

140 posted on 12/15/2012 11:06:37 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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