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3D-Printed Weapons & the Consequences
DesignNews ^ | 12/11/2012 | Cabe Atwell

Posted on 12/12/2012 6:32:09 AM PST by palmer

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To: palmer

Wouldn’t it be easier and cheaper for criminals to just use a real gun?


21 posted on 12/12/2012 7:24:57 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: Eye of Unk

...or a Victorias Secret catalog


22 posted on 12/12/2012 7:26:47 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: stuartcr

the movie “Weird Science” comes to mind!


23 posted on 12/12/2012 7:33:55 AM PST by Docbarleypop
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To: Docbarleypop

That’s what I was thinking.


24 posted on 12/12/2012 7:35:17 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: stuartcr

Perhaps the Congress panty twisters are not worried about criminals. Heck, they hang with them all day.


25 posted on 12/12/2012 7:38:12 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: KC_Lion

For an AR-15, the lower receiver is the serialized firearm, according to the BATFE. The receiver contains the trigger, hammer, safety, magazine and bolt lock/release. The receiver extension (buffer tube) is attached to the back of the lower receiver. The upper receiver holds the bold, barrel, and chamber. These are the parts that are exposed to high chamber pressures when a round is fired. These could still be made by forging and machining since no paper work or serial numbers are involved on these parts.

The only parts on a printed lower receiver that might need reinforcment would be the pin holes where the lower and upper receiver are joined and the threads that hold the buffer tube.


26 posted on 12/12/2012 7:56:40 AM PST by CarmichaelPatriot
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To: the_boy_who_got_lost
Many years ago, my father (may he rest in peace) saw the internet and saw what people were using the internet for and he said, "They will never control pornography again". Once it's just bits of data zipping around the world, then the cat is out of the bag and (like it or not) there is no way to control it short of tyrannical government that would make Hitler look like a sweetheart. Information wants to be free -- even immoral information.

3D-Printed weapons are the same thing. We just got the Second Amendment back. It may take government time to realize it, but guns are now beyond their control.

27 posted on 12/12/2012 8:15:45 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: Candor7

You don’t need 3D printing to build a lower receiver, just a metal working shop. The Afghans build AK-47s in very primitive conditions. And you don’t need printing to make a fully-automatic weapon, just a little work on the lower receiver of a semi-automatic weapon (NB the Afghan AK-47s again).


28 posted on 12/12/2012 8:24:42 AM PST by expat2
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To: palmer

I do not understand this stuff at all. I shall keep what I have. I know they will not blow away in the wind, and they will still function in the rain.


29 posted on 12/12/2012 8:25:56 AM PST by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: expat1000

Standard upper, 7 inch flat-top. Only the lower receiver was printed.

The furor sounds a great deal like that over the Glock a bunch of years ago. PLASTIC GUN!!!! undetectable through xrays!!!!!!

The horror!

Actually, until (as someone has already mentioned) nano hardening or some sort of metallic matrix is incorporated, there will only be support or structural parts available with this process.

Gotta love the home rapid prototyping possibilities though!!!!!!!


30 posted on 12/12/2012 8:26:49 AM PST by petro45acp ( God save the republic, for surely the majority electorate is not up to the task)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I believe that you are correct. The current 3-D printing methods will develop out and offer many advantages but the concept itself will cause the development of entirely new 3-D “printing” at the nano or molecular level.

I'm not saying Trek replicators but think about what you could do...

31 posted on 12/12/2012 8:27:23 AM PST by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: Klaatu Barada Nikto

The barrels and upper receivers can be purchased without any restrictions whatsoever — only the lower receiver is the ‘firearm’.


32 posted on 12/12/2012 8:27:31 AM PST by expat2
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To: NativeSon
Yup. The quality will get better and better -- but quality isn't the key thing. There is no way to control this now. Every blog pimp in America is now the equivalent of Smith & Wesson. More than that. Think about everyone in America who currently has an HP or Lexmark printer in their home. Sure, they print paper now -- but in 10 years time, there will be 200 million Smith & Wesson corporations scattered across the land.

Every man a gunsmith. Registering guns? Tracking firearms? Ballistic testing at crime scenes? It all goes out the window.

For good or bad, the government will be TOTALLY incapable of infringing your right to keep and bear arms.

33 posted on 12/12/2012 8:36:55 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

We used 3-D printers in our lab for years. Saved us a ton of money when we were developing prototypes. The material we had was a plastic or resin type. Our printer was rather small, the size of a coke machine. Big moving platform behind a window,,you could watch the item being constructed stand by strand. Our stuff would take 8-9 hours sometimes..and our parts were relatively small. That printer costs us about 45K and was considered small to medium in size. The material wasn’t too expensive but we used a lot of it up. Strange to program a machine to build a part and have the end result look like a toy. It was remarkable.


34 posted on 12/12/2012 9:01:57 AM PST by austinaero
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To: palmer

The last segment of “CSI” television show was about this subject. Killer made two of them and only fired once in a hit.


35 posted on 12/12/2012 9:03:30 AM PST by Portcall24
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To: ClearCase_guy
Right now, it is not difficult to make a fully automatic weapon - the Afghans do it in very primitive workshops, making AK-47s. The reason it doesn't go on too much in the US is that it is illegal and most gun people are law abiding citizens. That will discourage a lot of 3D gun builders.

However, if our law-abiding citizens lose faith in the honesty of their government and/or feel their liberty seriously threatened, all bets are off. The only problem then will be that fully-automatic weapons are very wasteful of ammo.

36 posted on 12/12/2012 9:08:43 AM PST by expat2
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To: expat2
I agree.

Some things are surprisingly easy, if people have a good reason to do them. On the opposite end of that spectrum, your post reminds me of the scene in the first "Iron Man" movie in which the bad guy (Obadiah) has assembled a team of brilliant scientists in an effort to duplicate Tony Stark's iron man suit. The team finds the task difficult.

Brilliant scientist: We still haven't solved it yet.
Obadiah: Tony Stark did it! He did it by himself! In Afghanistan! In a cave!
Brilliant scientist: Well ... I'm not Tony Stark.

37 posted on 12/12/2012 9:19:45 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Coming soon to Kalifonia:

Anyone found guilty of possession, use or sale of 3D printers, without an approved LICENSE, shall be guilty of a CLASS A FELONY. (life in prison)

Wait and see ...............

You’re all dreamin if you think they’re going to allow this to evolve to its natural conclusion.

AND BTW, if you also think that possession of the presently unserialized parts won’t be criminalized, you’re also dreaming some more.

Y’all just don’t get it yet and I shudder to think how far it has to go before all the frogs wake up and ask “When did the $%^*$& water get so hot?”


38 posted on 12/12/2012 9:22:04 AM PST by CanuckYank
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To: ClearCase_guy
I believe it will be some time before an entire device is printable by the least motivated class of citizen but well before, entrepreneurs will make use of the technology which will bring us to the position you've described.

Think about this a bit more: through nano construction, complex devices could be built. A virus or malware would become a program that causes your printer to create something that spies on you or attempts assassinations...hmmmm, this looks like something that would be a short story in Analog.

39 posted on 12/12/2012 9:29:26 AM PST by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: CanuckYank
Your point is very valid.

The question is: at what point do the frogs wake up and decide to jump? Manufacturing in the US will not be able to compete if 3D-printers are restricted. Gun owners will see what is happening -- and at some point they will stage armed protests. The Bastille will be stormed.

I don't know what the tipping point will be, but I am sure that there will be a tipping point. I look around today and I just see so many things that "ought to be" the tipping point.

I think CW is inevitable. Elections don't count. We have the means, and we will make the political change when we decide we have to.

40 posted on 12/12/2012 9:32:58 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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