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The Inconceivable Embarrassment From Cold Fusion
New Energy and Fuel ^ | Dec 10 2012 | Anon

Posted on 12/10/2012 5:50:12 AM PST by Wonder Warthog

U.S. institutional politics, government agencies, and academic science have been caught in denial so strident they’re now shouting “no” while stark raving naked. The nakedness is because of Low Energy Nuclear Reactions or LENR, or an evolution of the famed cold fusion.

The intellectual embarrassment is tattooed to the naysayers forever and disqualifies many people.

Steve Krivit reports from behind his paywall physicist Yasuhiro Iwamura from Mitsubishi Heavy Industries that researchers at Toyota Central Research and Development Laboratories performed an independent replication of a Mitsubishi low-energy nuclear reaction transmutation experiment.

Iwamura spoke of the replication at the American Nuclear Society’s LENR session on Nov. 14th 2012 in San Diego. Krivit reports Iwamura saying the Toyota researchers confirmed that nuclear changes from one element to another took place without the use of high-energy nuclear physics.

Toyota is being said to have used a LENR deuterium-permeation transmutation method that Iwamura invented. This follows the information that Osaka University and Iwate University had previously reported similar replications.

Iwamura is said to have been working with this LENR method for 14 years.

The target of the work in Japan seems directed to the transmutation of elements, something that has been seen in many past experiments of LENR. Direct potential commercial applications could be processing of nuclear waste or the production of rare earth elements such as platinum.

The story is leading to two different camps, the LENR people trying to produce energy and the Low Energy Nuclear Transmutation (LENT, a new short form to remember) people trying to change an element into another. The process is doing about the same thing; each pathway is optimized to achieve one result or the other.

Now Mitsubishi and Toyota, two major international industrial firms are releasing information. The firms obviously understand that the money from product sales will be vastly more important than research grants.

Politics, bureaucrats and academia are being scooped by big business. It’s probably a good thing.

Private enterprise isn’t just after LENR in Japan.

Dr. Francesco Celani has announced a successful 3rd party replication of his LENR system, which apparently has been improved since he did the demonstration at National Instruments Week in Texas earlier this year.

Celani said the reactor used is completely different from the one he and his group developed and used. As a result, he says, the probability of a systematic error in the measurements has become highly unlikely.

The private firm involved in this effort is believed to be STMicrolectronics, a French-Italian electronics manufacturer based in Geneva, Switzerland. The firm’s logo is part of the photos Dr. Celani has released.

What is one to make of all this? The first major point is academia has utterly let the world down. Now that LENR obviously functions there are almost no experimental experts available or organized training underway. The world economy is completely out of the loop, so far. The second is governments worldwide have set up a patent barrier, which is still in place that keeps the potential dowsed down. Only the very brave and eccentric have ventured out with Andrea Rossi leading the way.

At the human level the price of condemnation is beginning to show. For those who followed the press, media and academic lead to condemn Pons and Fleischmann, while some knew full well that a few very careful experimenters were able to replicate the work, the guilt is the harm done to science progress, intellectual expansion and economic growth.

At the frontier of knowledge there is no disgrace at an experiment that fails. Disgrace comes from denial of the opportunity for research and experimentation. Denial of a venture into the unknown is one of the ultimate scientific dishonesties.


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KEYWORDS: canr; cmns; coldfusion; energy; lenr; transmutation
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To: count-your-change
Oh stuff and nonsense! Cold fusion is still a hot air balloon. And I’m still waiting for the promised water heaters.

Don't hold your breath while waiting. Cold fusion/low energy hocus pocus, will never come out of the closet housing the kooks,the obsessed, and the unreasoned optimists. If there were even just a meager hint that there were anything to it, every researcher throughout the world would be working on it, hoping to be the first to develop an actual device with some inherent value, or to be the person responsible for giving a black eye to the current standard model of physics. It is tantamount to believing in ghosts, and there are plenty that do, so, no doubt there are plenty of believers in this too.
61 posted on 12/10/2012 3:49:13 PM PST by ZX12R
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To: Wonder Warthog; Kevmo
If it is "unquestionable" (just like the AGW "consensus") -- then it is not science!

Kevmo and his seagulls have brainwashed you...

62 posted on 12/10/2012 7:04:41 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: Wonder Warthog
If, at this point, you haven't taken the time to examine the evidence, you deserve to be insulted.

Not only are you an obnoxious douchebag but you're also really a classic dunning/Kruger (The low side)

63 posted on 12/10/2012 7:47:03 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Wonder Warthog
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/IwamuraYobservatiob.pdf Link to the Mitsubishi research.

That's a link to a pdf on a blog. It doesn't appear to be published or peer reviewed.

65 posted on 12/10/2012 10:22:34 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Iwamura spoke of the replication at the American Nuclear Society’s LENR session on Nov. 14th 2012 in San Diego. Krivit reports Iwamura saying the Toyota researchers confirmed that nuclear changes from one element to another took place without the use of high-energy nuclear physics.

This was a panel discussion sponsored by Krivit. It doesn't appear to be confirmed or peer reviewed in any way.

66 posted on 12/10/2012 10:24:12 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Nobody has "pushed" Rossi's work on FR.

The last two articles on FR on cold fusion in the past week have mentioned Rossi who is a certified fraud.

This thread is not about Rossi. If you want to actually discuss the article or the science, stick around. If not, I suggest you not "click here"

Your article mentions Rossi, so it's legitimate to discuss. You're not the moderator who gets to censor others.

67 posted on 12/10/2012 10:34:48 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
For me, forty years, instrument R%D, 24+ patents, and a similar number of referred publications, plus two R&D 100 awards.

What patents and what awards? Otherwise, you're making an unsubstantiated claim.

68 posted on 12/10/2012 10:41:07 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

If Rossi turns out to be true, well and good, and the world will benefit. If he turns out not to be, LENR is still there, and still valid science.
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Its important to distinguish between Rossi and LENR. LENR has seen some significant replication of results by scientists around the world. Rossi is just a guy with a dream that never quite materializes.


69 posted on 12/10/2012 11:16:34 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: count-your-change
"Oh stuff and nonsense! Cold fusion is still a hot air balloon. And I’m still waiting for the promised water heaters."

The only "stuff and nonsense" here is your posts. This discussion is about science, experimentation, and scientific validity....not water heaters. Rossi may be a hot air balloon, but LENR certainly is not.

70 posted on 12/11/2012 3:44:03 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: TXnMA
"If it is "unquestionable" (just like the AGW "consensus") -- then it is not science!"

Actually, it is the pathological skeptics who are "doing the AGW thing" (and in fact, the biggest pushers of AGW are also physicists). And like AGW, the SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE has built up to the point that the reality of LENR cannot any longer be denied by propaganda methods.

"Kevmo and his seagulls have brainwashed you... "

Not a bit. I have made my decisions strictly on the available evidence. The amazing thing is that so many here have not taken even a tiny amount of time to study that evidence, but bloviate constantly about how fraudulent the topic is.

71 posted on 12/11/2012 3:50:55 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: from occupied ga
"Not only are you an obnoxious douchebag but you're also really a classic dunning/Kruger (The low side)"

LOL. Certainly no more obnoxious than one who constantly blathers on about the invalidity a scientific effort without having taken the time to examine the data.

72 posted on 12/11/2012 3:52:45 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: ZX12R
"Don't hold your breath while waiting. Cold fusion/low energy hocus pocus, will never come out of the closet housing the kooks,the obsessed, and the unreasoned optimists. If there were even just a meager hint that there were anything to it, every researcher throughout the world would be working on it, hoping to be the first to develop an actual device with some inherent value, or to be the person responsible for giving a black eye to the current standard model of physics. It is tantamount to believing in ghosts, and there are plenty that do, so, no doubt there are plenty of believers in this too.

Beaudette's book also gives an excellent analysis of why "every researcher throughout the world" is NOT working on it. I suggest you educate yourself about the evidence by reading it.

73 posted on 12/11/2012 3:57:32 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

A scientific curiosity has been demonstrated. Amazing! High fives all around. Now it’s getting rid of nuclear waste and hot water heaters..


74 posted on 12/11/2012 4:22:02 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Beaudette's book also gives an excellent analysis of why "every researcher throughout the world" is NOT working on it. I suggest you educate yourself about the evidence by reading it.

There are books about ghost hunting, too. One man's "excellent analysis" is another man's unreasonable speculation and bullshit.
75 posted on 12/11/2012 4:46:00 AM PST by ZX12R
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To: ckilmer
"Rossi’s work has been pushed on FR for years."

No, it has been talked about, but his work has never been published.

Here's that address:

All that nuclear science being done in an apartment? Wonder if his neighbors knew. lol.

76 posted on 12/11/2012 5:17:27 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

“The science is now unquestionable. “

Only by the feeble minded that like hearing big sounding words. Cold-fusion has never been replicated. There’s always an excuse why it couldn’t be done.


77 posted on 12/11/2012 5:19:59 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
"And like AGW, the SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE has built up to the point that the reality of LENR cannot any longer be denied by propaganda methods."

Are you saying that BOTH AGW & LENR are "reality"?


78 posted on 12/11/2012 6:52:09 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: TXnMA
Kevmo and his seagulls have brainwashed you...
***My post #64 was removed. You're allowed to call us seagulls but we aren't allowed to call you the same thing.

So the skeptopaths are allowed certain tactics on FR but the LENR afficianados are not.

And even though the Anomalous Heat Effect has been replicated hundreds of times by more than a thousand scientists, even in mainstream peer-reviewed journals.

https://springerlink3.metapress.com/content/8k5n17605m135n22/resource-secured/?target=fulltext.pdf&sid=xwvgza45j4sqpe3wceul4dv2&sh=www.springerlink.com
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Jing-tang He
• Nuclear fusion inside condense matters
• Frontiers of Physics in China
Volume 2, Number 1, 96-102, DOI: 10.1007/s11467-007-0005-8
This article describes in detail the nuclear fusion inside condense matters—the Fleischmann-Pons effect, the reproducibility of cold fusions, self-consistency of cold fusions and the possible applications
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Note that Jing-tang He found there were 14,700 replications of the Pons Fleischmann Anomalous Heat Effect. http://www.boliven.com/publication/10.1007~s11467-007-0005-8?q=(%22David%20J.%20Nagel%22)

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National Instruments is a multibillion dollar corporation that does not need to stick its neck out for “bigfoot stories”. After noting more than 150 replications, they recently concluded that with so much evidence of anomalous heat generation...
http://www.22passi.it/downloads/eu_brussels_june_20_2012_concezzi.pdf
Conclusion
• There is an unknown physical event and there is a need of better measurements and control tools. NI is playing a role in accelerating innovation and discovery.



The current state of the science of LENR is that the Pons Fleischmann Anomalous Heat Effect has been replicated and it is an established scientific fact. But it is not an established ENGINEERING field because the effect is difficult to generate and there is still some lingering stigma associated with the field. The level of pathological resistance this field receives is unconscionable for those of us who seek scientific answers and engineering solutions.

79 posted on 12/11/2012 8:16:35 AM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: TXnMA
"Are you saying that BOTH AGW & LENR are "reality"?'

No. I'm saying that AGW is a fraud, and LENR is real, with the accumulation of hard scientific evidence at the core of each conclusion.

80 posted on 12/11/2012 3:51:10 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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