Posted on 12/10/2012 5:50:12 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
U.S. institutional politics, government agencies, and academic science have been caught in denial so strident they’re now shouting “no” while stark raving naked. The nakedness is because of Low Energy Nuclear Reactions or LENR, or an evolution of the famed cold fusion.
The intellectual embarrassment is tattooed to the naysayers forever and disqualifies many people.
Steve Krivit reports from behind his paywall physicist Yasuhiro Iwamura from Mitsubishi Heavy Industries that researchers at Toyota Central Research and Development Laboratories performed an independent replication of a Mitsubishi low-energy nuclear reaction transmutation experiment.
Iwamura spoke of the replication at the American Nuclear Society’s LENR session on Nov. 14th 2012 in San Diego. Krivit reports Iwamura saying the Toyota researchers confirmed that nuclear changes from one element to another took place without the use of high-energy nuclear physics.
Toyota is being said to have used a LENR deuterium-permeation transmutation method that Iwamura invented. This follows the information that Osaka University and Iwate University had previously reported similar replications.
Iwamura is said to have been working with this LENR method for 14 years.
The target of the work in Japan seems directed to the transmutation of elements, something that has been seen in many past experiments of LENR. Direct potential commercial applications could be processing of nuclear waste or the production of rare earth elements such as platinum.
The story is leading to two different camps, the LENR people trying to produce energy and the Low Energy Nuclear Transmutation (LENT, a new short form to remember) people trying to change an element into another. The process is doing about the same thing; each pathway is optimized to achieve one result or the other.
Now Mitsubishi and Toyota, two major international industrial firms are releasing information. The firms obviously understand that the money from product sales will be vastly more important than research grants.
Politics, bureaucrats and academia are being scooped by big business. It’s probably a good thing.
Private enterprise isn’t just after LENR in Japan.
Dr. Francesco Celani has announced a successful 3rd party replication of his LENR system, which apparently has been improved since he did the demonstration at National Instruments Week in Texas earlier this year.
Celani said the reactor used is completely different from the one he and his group developed and used. As a result, he says, the probability of a systematic error in the measurements has become highly unlikely.
The private firm involved in this effort is believed to be STMicrolectronics, a French-Italian electronics manufacturer based in Geneva, Switzerland. The firm’s logo is part of the photos Dr. Celani has released.
What is one to make of all this? The first major point is academia has utterly let the world down. Now that LENR obviously functions there are almost no experimental experts available or organized training underway. The world economy is completely out of the loop, so far. The second is governments worldwide have set up a patent barrier, which is still in place that keeps the potential dowsed down. Only the very brave and eccentric have ventured out with Andrea Rossi leading the way.
At the human level the price of condemnation is beginning to show. For those who followed the press, media and academic lead to condemn Pons and Fleischmann, while some knew full well that a few very careful experimenters were able to replicate the work, the guilt is the harm done to science progress, intellectual expansion and economic growth.
At the frontier of knowledge there is no disgrace at an experiment that fails. Disgrace comes from denial of the opportunity for research and experimentation. Denial of a venture into the unknown is one of the ultimate scientific dishonesties.
Those two items are, to say the least, EARTH SHATTERING~!
Then there's that calcium swap up to aluminum ~ I think they threw that one in there for college students to try out in laboratories all over the world.
Then they didn't tell you about the really good stuff that's going to give us super batteries.
not connected as far as I know but the Nips don’t want to be beholden to China which is the world’s major rare earths producers
Yeah, I shoulda.....but didn't.
Your current status is where I hope to be in a bit, though my exile is "up west" rather than "up east". Washington state isn't "quite" as liberal as Massachusetts, but it's getting there fast.
I'd really "like" to move back to Louisiana, but my allergies are a total barrier to that. My "target" location is south-central Texas, a bit west of San Antonio.
We both descend from a Great Great Great grandfather who carried his pet rooster with him during the Revolutionary War ~ one of Francis Marian's top three volunteers too ~ and went into every major battle in the Southern campaigns with that rooster. We think it has something to do with birds loving us. He and his father used to run a pheasant farm in Kansas/Nebraska, but gave it up when they moved to Oklahoma.
The Israelis definitely like to keep this sort of thing secret as long as they can.
One ray of hope is that Yasuhiro Iwamura actually has credentials, publications, citations, and backing. He's a research scientist for Mitsubishi, which has published his LENR research in their technical journal.
Given the importance of "face" in Japanese culture, I don't think Mitsubishi would allow a complete flake on their staff and publishing under their name.
So, let me put it to everybody this way, our "Present" and his cronies believe in 100 mpg carburators, and if you don't then you don't know what's good for you!
BTW, you guys did follow the threads where I pieced together the links between Obama's energy department's alternative energy sources and the fellows in that program who've been working with Rossi for decades ~ right? The Italians just arrested a bunch of mafioso in Sicily who've been suppressing alternative energy researchers and programs in Italy and Sicily so they could boost sales of windmills ~ because, lo and behold, they were extorting money out of the windmill makers and the power companies who use windmills. Some don named Dino in fact!
One of the more apparently outrageous claims Rossi ever made was the mafia actually tried to put him out of the alternative energy business.
Well, I guess maybe they did ~ and I continue to have suspicions of involvement with the mafia on the part of some of Rossi's detractors on these threads. Doesn't mean he's right, but he certainly must have been a mafia target if anyone was!
I thought mafia targets ended up floating face down Jamaica bay. 0bama’s cafe standards are trying to repeal the first law of thermodynamics. Not going to happen. Only way to get that is to make the vehicles ridiculously light or horribly underpowered or both. There is only a limited amount of energy in a gal of gasoline, and the second law says you can only get a certain fraction of it as useful work. Mandating absurdly high mileage standards is like passing a law to repeal gravity. You can pass the law, but gravity is still going to be there.
Rubber tires were in use long before anyone knew much about the science of polymers. This board gives a history of the commercialization, engineering, and science behind rubber tires: http://www.rubber.org/100th-anniversary2
The Japanese opened a rare earth mine in Kazakhstan too ~ but not all the news was in that ~ just a mine opening.
http://lenr-canr.org/index/menu/menu.php
link.
Collecting and publishing all 3936 of those references was certainly a laborious task and a worthy contribution to the literature on the subject.
I particularly admire the online format. IMHO, that could well be the prototype for a superior standard for online bibliography / reference list formats.
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Of course, one can hardly miss the third reference -- and hope that it is not indicative of the standard of quality applied for inclusion in the list... '-)
Nonetheless, thank you for the link!
Not really. LENR has already had "overunity" results. On a small scale, true....but the energy density in some experiments is already greater than that found in fission fuel elements.
You're welcome. And having actually taken the time to follow that link puts you among a truly select few of those who have hit these LENR threads. Normally that link works like garlic on a vampire.
Jed Rothwell and Ed Storms have done science a great service by collecting and collating all that info and making it widely available.
I read down thru #52 and remembered that, when I was in college chemistry, the Thiokol solid rocket propellant plant was nearby. So, when I learned polysulfide rubber was called "Thiokol" rubber, I made my own "propellant" by synthesizing a batch of polysulfide rubber and adding potassium nitrate as an oxidizer. It worked, but left a residue. (I later learned that Thiokol used ammonium perchlorate as their oxidizer...)
So get off your high horse, and quite pretending NO ONE ever looks. That is simply not true. And to the extent it is, why should they wade through hours & hours of extraneous stuff that appears marginal & pathological (as great deal of the LENR stuff most certainly HAS appeared to be)?. After those experiences, they're supposed to forget, and accept related field claims, unquestioningly? Then go spend more hours digging? That's asking for a bit much. The last Italian, with his own complaint concerning others not getting the same results he did, doesn't help. Yes, I followed links, spent time, went and LOOKED.
All of that said, if the Mitsubishi report has any truth to it, then it is more confirmation of claims of slight (as to amounts of material involved), but significant change, one metal changing to another. One problem is that others have made similar claims (like Rossi!) that went nowhere, ended up looking fake from start to finish.
Meanwhile still, again due to all the Rossi crapola we've been subjected to, and worse (scientism on the religion forum? under a ecumenism tag?) the well has been poisoned here, on this forum. It will take a while for it to be cleaned of the taint. Face it, that's the truth!
Stick with the science of it that might be found, and stop the damn whining "nobody looks". I could care less about your "feelings". This is FR. People are going to make wise-guy comments. It comes with the territory. If you can't hack it, take a hike. Find another forum to discuss the particular issue on. OR, don't take it so personal when naysayers either make wise-cracks, express doubt, or question the claims, plucking at them, attempting to see if the process itself was flawed, etc.
Yeah, the same. Just great buckets of potential and oceans of hype.
If that is a fact, I would, indeed, be leery of firing up one of those reactors in my garage or basement -- without first having a good understanding of WTH is occurring.
Actually, things might just work. Though the “tattoo” talk in the article is just so much flame-baiting.
That, or a good many thousands of hours of testing under "stressed" conditions. Best situation is "both" of course.
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