Pathological cranks with a fantasy physics fetish.
All I want for Christmas is my cold fusion apparatus to be the explanation for Rudolf's glowing nose. Bwahahahaha!
Posted on 12/10/2012 5:50:12 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
U.S. institutional politics, government agencies, and academic science have been caught in denial so strident they’re now shouting “no” while stark raving naked. The nakedness is because of Low Energy Nuclear Reactions or LENR, or an evolution of the famed cold fusion.
The intellectual embarrassment is tattooed to the naysayers forever and disqualifies many people.
Steve Krivit reports from behind his paywall physicist Yasuhiro Iwamura from Mitsubishi Heavy Industries that researchers at Toyota Central Research and Development Laboratories performed an independent replication of a Mitsubishi low-energy nuclear reaction transmutation experiment.
Iwamura spoke of the replication at the American Nuclear Society’s LENR session on Nov. 14th 2012 in San Diego. Krivit reports Iwamura saying the Toyota researchers confirmed that nuclear changes from one element to another took place without the use of high-energy nuclear physics.
Toyota is being said to have used a LENR deuterium-permeation transmutation method that Iwamura invented. This follows the information that Osaka University and Iwate University had previously reported similar replications.
Iwamura is said to have been working with this LENR method for 14 years.
The target of the work in Japan seems directed to the transmutation of elements, something that has been seen in many past experiments of LENR. Direct potential commercial applications could be processing of nuclear waste or the production of rare earth elements such as platinum.
The story is leading to two different camps, the LENR people trying to produce energy and the Low Energy Nuclear Transmutation (LENT, a new short form to remember) people trying to change an element into another. The process is doing about the same thing; each pathway is optimized to achieve one result or the other.
Now Mitsubishi and Toyota, two major international industrial firms are releasing information. The firms obviously understand that the money from product sales will be vastly more important than research grants.
Politics, bureaucrats and academia are being scooped by big business. It’s probably a good thing.
Private enterprise isn’t just after LENR in Japan.
Dr. Francesco Celani has announced a successful 3rd party replication of his LENR system, which apparently has been improved since he did the demonstration at National Instruments Week in Texas earlier this year.
Celani said the reactor used is completely different from the one he and his group developed and used. As a result, he says, the probability of a systematic error in the measurements has become highly unlikely.
The private firm involved in this effort is believed to be STMicrolectronics, a French-Italian electronics manufacturer based in Geneva, Switzerland. The firm’s logo is part of the photos Dr. Celani has released.
What is one to make of all this? The first major point is academia has utterly let the world down. Now that LENR obviously functions there are almost no experimental experts available or organized training underway. The world economy is completely out of the loop, so far. The second is governments worldwide have set up a patent barrier, which is still in place that keeps the potential dowsed down. Only the very brave and eccentric have ventured out with Andrea Rossi leading the way.
At the human level the price of condemnation is beginning to show. For those who followed the press, media and academic lead to condemn Pons and Fleischmann, while some knew full well that a few very careful experimenters were able to replicate the work, the guilt is the harm done to science progress, intellectual expansion and economic growth.
At the frontier of knowledge there is no disgrace at an experiment that fails. Disgrace comes from denial of the opportunity for research and experimentation. Denial of a venture into the unknown is one of the ultimate scientific dishonesties.
Live LENR experiment being broadcast as we speak: http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/12/mfmp-to-launch-eu-test/
P&F received several million dollars in money and materials throughout the 1990's and they still couldn't exonerate themselves.
Yet you still can't provide the basic scientific details I asked for in post #85. You're all claims, no substance.
Not to you. If it’s worth doing, some other legitimate freeper will ask.
That’s less than 1/100th of 1%, not 10%.
The home team can then pick up the months ago punted ball,
***ETFOOM. I was posting LENR articles before Rossi came along, and I’ll be posting them after he leaves the scene.
That's a disingenuous way of stating it. Their type of research costs a lot less money, and they got free palladium. It was more than enough to exonerate themselves and attract more funding.
No, it was not more than enough, not even close to enough. But at least there is a small subset of facts we can agree on, which is that they did some research in the early 1990’s. Some of it is available here
http://lenr-canr.org/index/menu/menu.php
which, of course, you won’t be reading because you never read this stuff.
HONEST skepticism is certainly a requirement......but part of HONEST skepticism is a willingness to actually examine presented data. Pathological skeptics refuse to do so. How much study have YOU done of the science behind LENR??
Good luck.
You need to present better data in a better way. Neither you nor Kevmo help your cause. Plastering FR with blog posts isn't going to work. Quantity and insults are no replacement for quality.
Pathological skeptics refuse to do so.
"Pathological skeptics" is nothing more than an insult used to cover up your inability to make a professional and convincing case.
500-700 layers of nanoparticle lattice, and the other wire only had a few layers, and wasn't long enough. Ooo-kay. Try to provide others with enough of the right material to fully replicate results? Too much to ask? We keep running into problems like that, one after annother...
The excuse reminded me too much of Rossi, just more in-depth. The lattices are exciting, but results still seem ephemeral.
Instead of being insulted (you guys won't look) show us something other than pathological appearing, marginal science? Yeah ok, just a call-and-response sort of response from a choir member. I snuck in. I admit it.
Scientism is not a religion I recognize as truly valid. It's always been against the law in Missouri.
It's not our fault Rossi has all but been proved, beyond ANY shadow of doubt to be an absolute fraud. Simply that he's not in jail, is meaningless.
See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2968176/posts?page=1...
That’s how it’s done: just science ...no hype; no snark, no seagulls, no name-calling...
Excuse me, but WTF are you talking about?? I've spent the last year trying to get people to actually look at the available published data. Most that continue to post on these threads simply refuse to take that action.
1) Neither I nor Kevmo started the name-calling.
2) The title that you so dislike was the choice of the original author.
3) I don't read Krivit, because much of his content is behind a paywall.
4) "New Energy and Fuel" blogs owner is actually of the opinion that Rossi is a fraud.
5) The idea that I go around choosing specific blog articles because they are "hype" is simply ludicrous....I don't have the time to waste.
6) I first saw the info about the Mitsubishi work on "Ecat World", which I knew was anathema to a few, so picked the first source that is known specifically NOT to be a "Rossi pawn" (as some here think).
7) Iwamura's (sp?) work is not unique as to the quality of science presented....it is, in fact, completely TYPICAL of the rest of the research in CF. You would know this if you had done even a modicum of study of the issue. I still recommend Beaudette's book. In fact, I think Beaudette still lives in Massachusetts....assuming from your handle that you are still "up east", you can probably drive over an talk to him.
Nice of you to take the time to read my FRProfile... ;-)</SARC>
Is that what this is about?
It’s a translation from Japanese ~ please to insert tab B so gracious to tab A.
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