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BATFE Taking Comments on "Sporting Purposes" Exemption to "Armor Piercing Ammunition" Law Until
nraila.org ^ | 6 December, 2012 | NRA-ILA6

Posted on 12/08/2012 7:23:14 AM PST by marktwain

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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I suppose he didn’t make his sales quota that month.


41 posted on 12/08/2012 10:26:27 AM PST by BipolarBob (Riding my stick horse grinning like an idiot.)
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To: driftdiver

Back to spitballs and corks; I can see it coming.


42 posted on 12/08/2012 10:39:11 AM PST by Carriage Hill (Don't whiz on the electric fence. Awwwww-yeah!)
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To: marktwain

Good grief, make a bullet out of a non lead metal to satisfy the greenies in Califpornia and the unintended result is it lets the darn BAFTE use it as a way to ban all handgun rounds other than the .22. The socialist leftists want your guns and are coming for them.


43 posted on 12/08/2012 10:43:13 AM PST by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: RicocheT

I say!use titanium.that bullet will penetrate anything..Even steel armor plate.


44 posted on 12/08/2012 12:05:16 PM PST by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: driftdiver
By agreeing and ‘compromising’ with them you help them in their efforts to eliminate private ownership of firearms

Please show me in my post where I used the word "agree" or anything like "compromise".

I merely discussed the three themes I took from the article.

Its not about a specific gun or type of ammo and it has nothing to do with Ft Hood. No, not specifically about Ft. Hood, but the article did make this delineation: Because handguns have been made in certain rifle calibers, many bullets that were designed originally for rifles also "may be used in a handgun." and it later specifically discussed "armor piercing" ammo.

I discussed this point in my post based on actual weapons I own and other types that I am familiar with. My example of Ft. Hood was in relation to FNs weapons and ammo which are available (even though another poster here claims there was no AP in the pistol).

I read the article, carefully. Probably more carefully than you read my response, based on your confused use of calling me 'confused' and claiming things you know nothing about whether I agree or disagree or not (I do not) - to the contrary, I called their ubiquitous "LEO and general public safety" claim a canard, and their "sporting-use" criteria absurd. How is this compromising or agreeing with them?

45 posted on 12/09/2012 4:10:37 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

You joke about what they are doing. Your posts give the impression you support banning the ammo they discuss for the reasons they provide.

nuff said

I don’t find humor in the lefts attempts to ban firearms.


46 posted on 12/09/2012 4:21:02 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

You get ‘impressions’ now.....can’t show actual words, now it’s impressions.

nuff said.


47 posted on 12/09/2012 4:36:15 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: driftdiver
...ban lead ammunition because its bad for the environment.<<

When Obozo begins the process of disassembling the 2nd amendment, they will come from all angles.

HHS regulations under Obozocare that would make lead a health hazard, guns as a human health hazard.

Through the EPA, the U.N., executive orders/cost prohibitive fees and taxes and through legislation in congress.

48 posted on 12/09/2012 5:20:32 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: marktwain

All military surplus FMJ rifle ammunition punches holes through mettle plate..


49 posted on 12/09/2012 5:21:21 AM PST by Track9 (The MSM needs a laugh track)
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To: Track9

metal... ops


50 posted on 12/09/2012 5:22:52 AM PST by Track9 (The MSM needs a laugh track)
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To: Dead Corpse; All

Well, I saw some feral pigs and some whitetails out there at Thanksgiving sporting body armor of some sort...

I guess we’ll have to start practicing those headshots...;-)


51 posted on 12/09/2012 7:35:59 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Gaffer

You really arent fit to be out in public.


52 posted on 12/09/2012 8:01:14 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Oh Geez....you reply to a comment of mine that contained no humor, but a discussion of the article’s points, yet ou later completely rely upon as dissatisfaction with the “impression” of my collective posts when you are confronted with contrary facts to your ridiculous assertions about the post to which you responded.

The posts that were humorous (in your words) weren’t even directed to you, but now seem to be the sole basis of your absurd responses to the point of outright abuse and claims of being unfit. You are the piece of work here, fella. You just can’t admit your post had no basis in fact.

I guess that comes with apparently being a 2A thought-Nazi Purist with no humor.


53 posted on 12/09/2012 10:33:26 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: marktwain

This whole set of guidelines/regulations is pretty much pointless and busybody krap. The first effect of the rule back when was to eliminate Chicom ammo from the market, most of which was soft-iron cored and would fail the magnetic check every time. It was cheap-—not armor piercing. If you gotta get hit by something it’s better if it’s armor piercing since it doesn’t expand, makes a clean hole. You can thank Bill Ruger for working to keep the low-end 7.62 X 39 semi auto rifles/ ammo out of the market. Beyond that the whole armor piercing discussion is pretty much pointless in terms of protecting cops or anyone else. By the time muzzle energy reaches 1400 ft-lbs in any gun/cartridge whoever the round hits, vest or not, is pretty much out of the fight——think Dirty Harry and his 44 magnum. The rules ought to be repealed and ATF ought to spend its energy cleaning up its act on the southern border.


54 posted on 12/09/2012 12:06:00 PM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: cherokee1

“By the time muzzle energy reaches 1400 ft-lbs in any gun/cartridge whoever the round hits, vest or not, is pretty much out of the fight——think Dirty Harry and his 44 magnum. The rules ought to be repealed and ATF ought to spend its energy cleaning up its act on the southern border.”

If you were dealing with people of integrity all of that would make a difference.

Their agenda is to make private ownership of firearms a thing of the past. These type of arbitrary rules are very effective with that agenda in mind.


55 posted on 12/09/2012 3:06:40 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain

The only thing that needs to be examined and discussed are the locations of ATF, IRS facilities, their occupants, around the country.


56 posted on 12/09/2012 5:10:29 PM PST by TheBigJ
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To: puppypusher
I say!use titanium.that bullet will penetrate anything..Even steel armor plate

Ins't Titanium too low-weight? I think you're thinking of Tungsten.

57 posted on 12/09/2012 6:45:33 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: marktwain

Add antimony to your cast lead bullets, and your bullets are harder than lead. The only bullets permitted for hunting in California are non-lead bullets, usually with copper, tungsten, or bismuth.

Of course lead is regulated by the EPA, so lead bullets will be banned too.


58 posted on 12/09/2012 10:17:35 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Dutch Boy

The Government can make any one of us an “overnight felon”.

Put a legal gun on the “assault weapon” list and if you don’t comply and register your once “legal” weapon, you become an Enemy of the State.

When I was a kid we used to say “First Registration, then Confiscation”. The Tyrants have it all figured out. They love Gun Control as much as Hitler did.


59 posted on 12/09/2012 10:27:00 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (As they say in China, erections have consequences...)
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To: driftdiver

Look at what happened in Iraq and A’Stan. The Taliban figurd out that they could not get kill shots with the US troopers wearing body armor so they resorted to IEDs instead.


60 posted on 12/10/2012 6:32:10 AM PST by USAF80
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