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Everything You Need To Know About The Black Boxes Coming To Your Next Car
Jalopnik ^ | Friday, December 7, 2012 | Jason Torchinsky

Posted on 12/07/2012 7:40:36 PM PST by Jyotishi

It's looking very likely that a bill in Congress that will make mandatory the use of "black boxes"— more formally, Event Data Recorders (EDR) — will become law soon. These are little computers clad in rugged casings that record data from your car's various sensors and computers to use for accident investigation and, very likely, other uses.

There's lots of privacy concerns around this new bill, and lots of questions as to exactly what that little boxy black snitch is snooping on. Plus, what about the voluntary black boxes some insurance carriers are offering? Let's see what we can clear up.

(Excerpt) Read more at jalopnik.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: automobile; congress; legal; privacy
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To: Jyotishi

I read the article, but can’t understand - why would any congressman vote for this? What’s in it for them?


41 posted on 12/07/2012 10:28:45 PM PST by PGR88
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To: CORedneck

>>”Such as getting ot the point where you get pulled over, a cop plugs into your EDR and downloads the data and then traffic tickets are written based on the data.”

Or gather it through a wireless connection without your knowledge.


42 posted on 12/07/2012 11:34:44 PM PST by Only1choice____Freedom (As long as America's tolerence of failure is not overwhelmed by a desire to succeed, we will fail.)
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To: printhead

I actually still possess an SS card that says “Not to be used for Identification” on it. A quaint relic from a more sane era.


43 posted on 12/07/2012 11:47:25 PM PST by Cololeo
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To: PGR88

POWER!


44 posted on 12/07/2012 11:48:51 PM PST by Cololeo
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To: Jyotishi

It would be insanity if these black boxes would record your speed and the GPS coordinates for that speed. Then the traffic cop plugs in and for every location you went over the speed limit, you get fined. Perhaps if there were enough incidences of speed violations, the cop could summarily execute you on the spot and confiscate your car.


45 posted on 12/08/2012 12:58:55 AM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: cherry

My uncle has a country place
That no one knows about.
He says it used to be a farm,
Before the Motor Law.
And on Sundays I elude the Eyes,
And hop the Turbine Freight
To far outside the Wire,
Where my white-haired uncle waits.

Jump to the ground
As the Turbo slows to cross the Borderline.
Run like the wind,
As excitement shivers up and down my spine.
Down in his barn,
My uncle preserved for me an old machine,
For fifty-odd years.
To keep it as new has been his dearest dream.

I strip away the old debris
That hides a shining car.
A brilliant red Barchetta
From a better, vanished time.
I fire up the willing engine,
Responding with a roar.
Tires spitting gravel,
I commit my weekly crime...

Wind-
In my hair-
Shifting and drifting-
Mechanical music-
Adrenalin surge...

Well-weathered leather,
Hot metal and oil,
The scented country air.
Sunlight on chrome,
The blur of the landscape,
Every nerve aware.

Suddenly ahead of me,
Across the mountainside,
A gleaming alloy air-car
Shoots towards me, two lanes wide.
I spin around with shrieking tires,
To run the deadly race,
Go screaming through the valley
As another joins the chase.

Drive like the wind,
Straining the limits of machine and man.
Laughing out loud
With fear and hope, I’ve got a desperate plan.
At the one-lane bridge
I leave the giants stranded at the riverside.
Race back to the farm, to dream with my uncle at the fireside


46 posted on 12/08/2012 1:47:19 AM PST by Rastus
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To: Jim Hill
So, according to the article, the car owner “owns” the data. If it’s my data to own, it’s also my data to destroy at my discretion, no?
That sounds like Nixon’s opinion of the white house tapes . . .

47 posted on 12/08/2012 2:34:30 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: Jyotishi

http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/ted-talk-on-u-penn-swarming-quads-now-live
sky net is on its way


48 posted on 12/08/2012 4:07:50 AM PST by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: fudimo

I’d never do business with any company with “progressive” in their title.


49 posted on 12/08/2012 4:37:19 AM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Rastus

Great! Another post of a poem without title or author...


50 posted on 12/08/2012 4:56:11 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Dapper 26
Don’t buy a new car. I have a 10 yo truck and I’m keeping it until our Republic returns.

The Republic isn't returning. The next stop is tyranny.

51 posted on 12/08/2012 4:58:08 AM PST by Bull Man
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To: SamuraiScot
According to the Bosch link, they are all "last 30 seconds" recorders of various data pertaining to crashes

IOW, if I have a wreck and I know I'm at fault I should drive around the block to have the info deleted before the cops show up?

52 posted on 12/08/2012 5:03:39 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: George from New England

“I will bet you the price of the car that the vehicle is disabled and won’t start if the black box is tampered with or removed. Sort of like the anti-lock brakes that when broken or unplugged, disable the vehicle from running at all.”

I am a third year law student that just did my rigorous writing course on this very topic. (4th Amendment lesser expectation of privacy in a vehicle and the impact of mandated EDR’s. The paper must be of publishable quality) If the EDR is disabled, all safety devices in the vehicle are disabled which includes the braking system.

If you are disturbed by the concept of a black box in your car, brace yourself for the second generation “mac box” that audio and video records everything inside the vehicle’s cab. My law professor was a District Judge. She was horrified at what my research turned up.


53 posted on 12/08/2012 5:04:46 AM PST by Oregon Betsy Ross
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To: ClearCase_guy
law enforcement agencies will normally need a warrant to get the data

It's comforting to know that. [/s]

Yep - enter the era of blanket warrants...

54 posted on 12/08/2012 5:09:36 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Boogieman

” However, they can’t mandate that we not remove them.”

If they can mandate that we don’t remove tags from mattresses, they can mandate we don’t remove black boxes from cars.

;)


55 posted on 12/08/2012 5:38:56 AM PST by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: raybbr

Red Barchetta by RUSH


56 posted on 12/08/2012 5:48:17 AM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: bgill

if I have a wreck and I know I’m at fault I should drive around the block to have the info deleted before the cops show up?

*******************

Interesting idea but I’m not sure how all the EDRs work. I think some are a continuous loop device where others record and hold certain data events.


57 posted on 12/08/2012 6:06:05 AM PST by deport
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To: deport

We should have known about all this years ago. Too much invasion of privacy.


58 posted on 12/08/2012 6:19:54 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: George from New England
Sort of like the anti-lock brakes that when broken or unplugged, disable the vehicle from running at all.

Well, the anti-lock system in my car went out of commission (gave up the ghost) and that was at least six years ago and the car keeps right on chugging along.

59 posted on 12/08/2012 6:41:04 AM PST by OldPossum
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To: Jyotishi

Coming soon -

Buy anti-black box malware on a DVD for $9.95 on eBay. It wipes the EDR recorder clean, or replaces it with harmless data, while maintaining all other vehicle systems. Some hacker is going to be a zillionaire.

Or there will be sites on the Dark Web where you download code to override the EDR and upload harmless data into the black box.

University researchers have already built systems to hack and remotely take over your car. They can control braking, steering, heating, the radio, the stereo and lock or unlock your doors. Busting a black box is certainly coming soon.


60 posted on 12/08/2012 6:50:37 AM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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