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To: tacticalogic

Can you define what constitutes ‘victory’?

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Yes I can. It begins with our borders. I and many others on this thread have correctly identified one of America’s greatest weaknesses is our open borders. To date we have allowed some 20-30 million illegal immigrants in and the results to our economy and welfare roles have been disastrous.

But more than that, the flow of drugs accross the Rio Grande has created a drug culture in the US that is destroying us.

What are our options in fighting the War on drugs? Should we surrender and let the cartels win and face the economic and social problems of millions of new users? That’s the cowards way out.

No, instead we should fight. And I mean FIGHT. I do agree that our current WOD is a failure. But only because state and federal agents are not allowed to do their jobs.

As in any war, we need a strong military to do the job. We need the military on our borders to 1)stop the inflow of illegals and 2)stop the millions of pounds (billions of dollars) of illegal drugs.

This is just a start. I would hesitate to send armed forces into our ghettos and slums to fight the cartels already entrenched here in the US, but if we contol our borders, then real reductions in drug usage will happen.


124 posted on 12/07/2012 6:41:41 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
It begins with our borders.

Actually, if we were to strictly control the borders and at the same time get rid of the totalitarian tactics used to fight the "war on drugs" at home, I completely agree.

126 posted on 12/07/2012 7:27:44 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Only liberals believe that people can be made virtuous via legislative enactment.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
We need the military on our borders to 1)stop the inflow of illegals and 2)stop the millions of pounds (billions of dollars) of illegal drugs.

"Domestically grown cannabis accounted for 10 percent of all marijuana consumed in 1980, and increased to about 25 percent in 1992, despite the efforts of the Program. The potency of cultivated marijuana has also increased significantly as a result of modern agricultural methods and techniques." - http://www.justice.gov/oig/reports/DEA/a9520.htm

The American entrepreneurial spirit can easily replace any reduction in imported supply.

127 posted on 12/07/2012 7:35:01 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("mouth piece from the pit of hell" (Bellflower, 11/10/2012))
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To: Responsibility2nd
Yes I can. It begins with our borders.

That's describing tactics, not an end result that would constitute 'victory'. Is sealing the border the end-game? Right now, the WoD extends it's reach much farther than just what's coming across the border, and beyond just controlling drugs (the DEA was a willing participant in Fast and Furious).

From a standpoint of legitimate federal authority, control of drugs crossing our international border is within the original intent of the powers granted to the federal government. They have used fradulent interpretations of the Commerce Clause to extend that far beyond the powers that were understood and intended by the people who wrote and ratified the enumeration of powers granted to them by the states.

129 posted on 12/07/2012 7:41:53 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Yes I can.

No you cannot.

So far, all you've done is provide a list of rubbish, like securing our borders, and using our effing MILITARY to conduct search & destroy missions in "ghettos and slums."

What's the end game, here, ma'am? When you put down the things that go boom and excite you, and all the people you don't like are either dead or in prison, what does victory in the War on Drugs look like? A world where a jazz musician can no longer find a bud, and more than that, no longer wants to?

Define victory. Don't give us your militaristic fantasies.

150 posted on 12/07/2012 8:59:13 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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