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To: Zakeet

“The point is, Ron Paul, a true conservative”

BS, libertarians are the masters of standing for nothing. Yes they have sound fiscal policies (sometimes to extreme), but if you cannot stand for conservative values (even social ones) you stand for nothing. The unraveling of this country is based partially in its allowance of morality and history of acting on that morality to be cast aside in the name of diversity and political correctness.

Yes I don’t care what you do in your house as long as it stays in your house and does not harm anyone else (which covers abuse cases), but allowing for cultural definitions to be re-defined is not conservative.

The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke (basically the libertarian mantra)


13 posted on 12/06/2012 1:51:03 PM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Resolute Conservative; PieterCasparzen

Why, yes, focus on the fringe differences....Don’t bother worrying about the elephant in the room, so to speak, on the basics: smaller Constitutional gov’t, lower taxes, Rule of Law and FREEDOM FREEDOM FREEDOM.

Naw, worry about the stoners (even the recreational users), the gays (and WHY is gov’t in the biz of marriage?), pulling back our troops where they’re not wanted/needed), etc.

It’s amazing, when the man-power is needed, what some in the Conservative wing focus on to dismiss a large swath of like-minded peoples.

Focus and join on the major points and battle the little bits LATER.


16 posted on 12/06/2012 2:28:42 PM PST by i_robot73
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To: Resolute Conservative

Bogus. The Libertarian Party is primarily grounded in a perverse twist of Leftism — it definitely stands for something. These so-called Libertarians are not really libertarians, however. A true libertarian wouldn’t support the killing of nascent Life nor support the homo-fascist laws that effectively force others to support homosexual behavior.

The extreme endpoints defined by libertarianism and statism are non-starters for any free society. The best in my opinion would combine the values of Conservatism and the governing principles of libertarianism


26 posted on 12/06/2012 3:28:16 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Who says they don’t stand for conservative values? I assume you mean the values falling outside the golden rule compass. Maybe some of them don’t, or even most of them. But it is a political ideology, not a philosophy for everything. They don’t want the values of which you speak being enforced by the State.

You may think without political force backing the morals that purportedly used to hold the country ravelled said morality will wither. I disagree. That’s a cultural problem, not a political one. And though politics can hurt higher culture, it can never save it. Bringing in the state does more harm, I think, than good.

Just because you say various drugs and sexual exchanges should be legal does not mean you are encouraging people to use them. If more do, that might be the fault of legalization in a sense, but that’s the price of freedom. Anyway, I still blame culture at large, not politics.

What’s all this nonsense about diversity and political correctness? S


35 posted on 12/06/2012 9:42:42 PM PST by Tublecane
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