Posted on 12/04/2012 3:53:48 AM PST by Kaslin
Look, I don’t even know anymore. I’m just gonna put these out there for you as yet another indication of how tough getting anywhere close to solving our deficit and debt problems is. It’s a nice complement to the latest in the fiscal cliff saga, in which allegedly intractable, unreasonable Republicans offer a Simpson-Bowles-like compromise that might actually come within a couple ballparks of acknowledging our debt problems while Democrats seem rather enthusiastic about cliff-diving and yet the press and public are determined to blame Republicans for going over.
Let’s see if that can change in the near future. Presumably it should if the press reports that a realistic compromise is on the table that— hey, looky here— aligns with the public’s and the press’ professed desires, but early signs show it’s being treated unseriously in the press. Heck, even a plurality of Obama voters want the deficit dealt with by making more spending cuts than tax hikes:
A survey of 800 Obama voters, conducted last month by Benenson Strategy Group for the moderate Democratic think tank Third Way and shared first with POLITICO, finds that 96 percent believe the federal deficit is a problem and that 85 percent support increasing taxes on the wealthy.
Yet 41 percent who supported the Democratic incumbent want to get control of the deficit mostly by cutting spending, with only some tax increases, while another 41 percent want to solve it mostly with tax increases and only some spending cuts.
Just 5 percent of Obama supporters favor tax increases alone to solve the deficit, half the number who back an approach that relies entirely on spending cuts.
Too bad they all voted for the man who’s offering a rather more unbalanced approach than Republicans. And, you read that right— double the number of Obama supporters want to deal with the deficit entirely by cutting spending than want to do it entirely by raising taxes.
In other news, voters still hate ObamaCare, especially independents:
Meanwhile, according to polling by CNN, registered voters oppose Obamacare by a margin of 10 points — 52 to 42 percent. Independents like Obamacare even less, opposing it by a margin of 22 points — 57 to 35 percent. Clearly, voters didn’t think they were ratifying Obamacare when they pulled the lever for Obama.
And, finally, “[f]or the first time in Gallup trends since 2000, a majority of Americans say it is not the federal government’s responsibility to make sure all Americans have healthcare coverage.” Okay.
The shift away from the view that the government should ensure healthcare coverage for all began shortly after President Barack Obama’s election and has continued the past several years during the discussions and ultimate passage of the Affordable Care Act in March 2010. Americans are divided on that legislation today — 48% approve and 45% disapprove — as they have been over the last several years.
Republicans, including Republican-leaning independents, are mostly responsible for the drop since 2007 in Americans’ support for government ensuring universal health coverage. In 2007, 38% of Republicans thought the government should do so; now, 12% do. Among Democrats and Democratic leaners there has been a much smaller drop, from 81% saying the government should make sure all Americans are covered in 2007 to 71% now.
A warning for Democrats prepared to use ObamaCare’s upcoming failures as a rationale for single-payer:
One thing that has not changed is that Americans still widely prefer a system based on private insurance to one run by the government. Currently, 57% prefer a private system and 36% a government-run system, essentially the same as in 2010 and 2011. Prior to the passage of the Affordable Care Act in 2010, the percentage of Americans in favor of a government-run system ranged from 32% to 41%.
Another redemptive data point for those who say nominating the one guy who couldn’t effectively argue against ObamaCare was a mistake. For the record, I agreed with that assessment, but also was unconvinced others didn’t have equal liabilities.
As the conventional wisdom has it, we are a nation divided— perhaps into multiple personalities.
The key statistic is this:
“85 percent support increasing taxes on the wealthy”
The typical Obama voter doesn’t want to pay taxes and doesn’t want to cut spending. They think that all the problems can be solved by taxing the wealthy.
This formula won’t work of course because the wealthy will just move their money offshore. Tax revenue will not keep pace with the rise in entitlements and insolvency will be just around the corner. Just ask the Greeks.
Fixed it for ya.
When is it exactly that we go over the Obama Cliff? Do we have to wait for a certain date? Or can we just go over the Obama Cliff now? I am so tired of Obama and his Obama Cliff! Can we just get it over with?
That says it all
Of course the typical 0bama voter doesn’t want to pay taxes, they want others to pay them, but they do want to have it all. They do have to learn that they can not have it all and that they have to give in.
I agree: There is no question in my mind that the “election” if you can call it that, was stolen by OBama and company. There were news reports of all these “undocumented” and “unregistered” voters showing up at the polls in Connecticut (The Big cities naturally) but was not reported nationally.
How did Obama win? I don’t know a single person who voted for him?
Fraudy McFraudster who Frauds, and is a total Fraud.
Glad someone got to this before me. But you know this statistic shows that its much worse than you put it (for the GOP in this current standoff).
The 85% are not all Obama voters, his margin was much smaller than that. That means even some Romney voters want this..
Poll this : “Would you rather have the House GOP extent tax cuts for the ‘middle class’ right NOW or hold out and not extend them unless they get them for ‘the wealthly’ too, and medicare cuts at the same time to cut the deficit?”
Obama is looking at internal polls phrased like this.
You know how this ends...
“A survey of 800 Obama voters, conducted last month by Benenson Strategy Group for the moderate Democratic think tank Third Way and shared first with POLITICO, finds that 96 percent believe the federal deficit is a problem and that 85 percent support increasing taxes on the wealthy.”
It is 85% of Obama voters
Shrug::Doesn’t matter what the poll say....the one poll that counted incresed dumble strength in the Senate and relected a treasonous cretin to live in the people’s house.
He WANTS the fiscal cliff. He won’t pay for the raising the taxes on everyone...he skates away like a champ. Even Henchman Reid knows this.
And the pubbies will cave like they always do so zero wins no matter what. he doesn’t care...he can play golf while his wonks destroy us completely.
I tremble with rage and hatred of it all but hey...the idiots and morons took away our country.
Good luck getting it back. Ya can’t beat stupid. You can’t sway them with reason and facts...they wouldn’t know a fact if it kicked them in the asz.You SAW what happened. Not just with Mitt but down the line in the Senate races. That had little to do with the top of the ticket at all. McCaskill and Testor? Really???
When they come for me, I’ll try to take a few with me....’cause I’m about done and shut of the lot of them.
STick a fork in it Moe, it’s done.
IMHO
Einstein said said that insanity was doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results. How could anyone rational believe that a second Obama term would be any different than the first four years? For the majority of Americans who don’t like Obamcare just wait until 2014 when the nation’s health care system will be in chaos and everything you feared including the death panels are a reality.
The simple fact of the matter is that Obama’s core constituency want to hang around with their hands out waiting for some Fat Cat Marxist/Democrat to plop a check into his/her palm - and preferably a check backed by funds stolen from Whitey.
Thet’s what they all voted for, and that’s what they expect.
I keep hearing that from alot of folks I know as well. I think it was a combination of big states and big city voters who carried him back into office coupled with, I am convinced, unregisterd and illegal voters that gave him the edge. But good luck trying to prove all that. I guess what I over heard by one guy rings so true now: “...The Fix was already In...”
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