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1 posted on 12/03/2012 12:08:52 AM PST by neverdem
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Mandated use of a substance that solves a non-existant problem, and does so in the least efficient and most damaging way possible.

F#%^ing brilliant.


2 posted on 12/03/2012 12:15:06 AM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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And because the heat content per gallon in ethanol is lower than that of gasoline, your mileage goes down in direct proportion to the amount of Ethanol in the blend. Then there is also the problem with ethanol attacking plastic and rubber parts in the fuel system and the fact that alcohols are miscible in water so you can have problems with fuel system corrosion. Other than that, ethanol is a great fuel and using it drives up the prices on all the foods you eat that contain corn.


3 posted on 12/03/2012 12:22:35 AM PST by vette6387
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They don’t care, I contacted them and I have to go haul empty plastic jugs to get my gas now for all my small engines and old cars.

These people really do have their blinders on “Forward”.


4 posted on 12/03/2012 12:29:52 AM PST by dila813
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LOL !

why would the enemy of liberty care about what method they use to destroy that liberty

their response to AAA would be "good we can see its working, thank you, now go away before we tell the IRS or insurance czar to shut you down"

6 posted on 12/03/2012 12:41:12 AM PST by KTM rider ( , you'd be lucky to get $7....LOL !)
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The use of E15 is expressly prohibited in heavy-duty vehicles including boats, motorcycles, power equipment, lawn mowers and off-road vehicles.

The warranty on my 2008 Nissan outboard "recommends not using fuel that contains more than 10% ethanol or 5% methanol". The warranty further states that "using fuel containing ANY alcohol may void the warranty".

The Ethanol Industry has spent a ton of money on lobbying, advertising and public relations for E-10, now they are pushing E-15.

NASCAR is sponsored by Ethanol and their cars use E-15. E-15 for races is not stored in underground tanks as fuel was for decades. If you look you will see 18 wheel tankers parked behind the pits at races. Of course NASCAR does not like to about the reasons this is done.

BTW we are now importing Ethanol!

8 posted on 12/03/2012 12:48:19 AM PST by TYVets
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The chimpanzee in White House and his idiot followers could’nt care less about our cars. They hate oil. So they push ethanol made from corn. Ethanol is still hydrocarbon burning, generating as much CO2 as gasoline.


9 posted on 12/03/2012 1:17:42 AM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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Which is one reason I like one of the local gas chains, the “Liberty” stations. Pure gas. ZERO Ethanol. No idea how they get away with it, but they do. . .


10 posted on 12/03/2012 1:23:57 AM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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Gasoline blended with 10 percent ethanol is readily available at most gas stations nationwide, but E15 is only sold at a few stations in Kansas, Iowa and Nebraska.

The gas mileage on e15 is amazingly low but since the people of these states consider ethanol and ethanol subsidies to be a patriotic litmus test, let them burn it.


21 posted on 12/03/2012 3:57:43 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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Obama will simply have the EPA order mfgs to honor the warranties.

GM and Chrysler will certainly obey...


23 posted on 12/03/2012 4:09:22 AM PST by ltc8k6
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I miss Sunoco 260. That stuff was good forever.


25 posted on 12/03/2012 4:31:01 AM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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AAA SAYS CERTAIN ETHANOL FUEL CAN DAMAGE CARS


26 posted on 12/03/2012 4:33:44 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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Burn the corn for fuel, don’t use it for food.
So if Obama “starves to death” the poor people of world, we won’t have as many illegal aliens sneaking into the US.


28 posted on 12/03/2012 4:52:57 AM PST by jacob allen
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(but E15 is only sold at a few stations in Kansas, Iowa and Nebraska.)
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I don’t know where this writer is getting their info...
E-85 is in many states.
http://www.waymarking.com/cat/details.aspx?f=1&guid=6d4089d7-d50b-4be3-b2a4-f871b25d88a7&wo=True&wst=1&st=2


31 posted on 12/03/2012 5:13:28 AM PST by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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And even though we have gobs of natural gas, a fuel that cars run well on, and actually will make engines last longer and the air cleaner, because it burns so clean..................................

PLUS NG would allow the US to keep the TRILLIONS of dollars that go to countries that hate us, HERE, in the US to make our economy stronger.


32 posted on 12/03/2012 5:16:39 AM PST by weezel
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I have located a small group of stations here in the Montgomery area that offer Ethanol Free gas. About 15-20 cents higher, but I am getting almost 2 MPG better mileage and the vehicles are running 100% better.


34 posted on 12/03/2012 5:29:30 AM PST by commish (The takers rule. Time to implement the triple G plan - GOD, GUNS, & GOLD)
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Why do state and federal governments really like ethanol blended fuels?

Adding alcohol to gasoline dilutes the fuel, and lowers the heat energy.
One US gallon of Gasoline (regular unleaded) = 114,100 BTU/gal
One US gallon of Ethanol (E100) = 76,100 BTU/gal [67% of gasoline BTU]
One US gallon of 10% Ethanol/Gasoline Blend (E10) = 111,300 BTU/gal [97% of gasoline BTU]
Adding 10% ethanol to gasoline requires burning 3% more fuel to accomplish the same task.

Ethanol blended gasoline requires buying more gallons of fuel in order to travel the same distance.
Highway fuels are taxed “by the gallon”, so governments collect more taxes with blended fuels.

Mandating the use of ethanol blended fuel is a disguise for a hike in gasoline taxes.


38 posted on 12/03/2012 5:40:34 AM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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1. Ethanol is not as energy-rich a fuel as gasoline. When you dilute gasoline with ethanol, you get a poorer fuel.
2. Ethanol eventually separates from the gasoline, which causes the engine to fail. I talked to a repairman who works on outboard motors, who estimated that half his repairs are fuel-related, and that ethanol is most often the problem. If the ethanol content is raised to 15%, he thinks that outboard motors will have to go extinct, or run on propane. There were briefly diesel-powered outboard motors: very reliable, although expensive as an initial investment. They were made by the renowned Japanese company Yanmar. They are no longer available, partly because sales were banned in the US at the behest of Al Gore. They are legal in Canada, but no longer available there, and parts have vanished.
3. Ethanol costs more (in fossil fuels) to produce than the gasoline it supposedly saves. It is, simply put, a political swindle engineered by clueless environmentalists in unholy alliance with agricultural interests who should know better.
4. Ethanol uses up our invaluable soils, on which we (and future generations) depend on for food. So much for the cult of sustainability!
5. The bottom line is, if ethanol is so good, why can it not compete in a free market? Ethanol-diluted fuel is sold only because the alternative has been essentially banned. We are at the state where the federal government doesn’t much care if you smoke marijuana, but you cannot use the logical fuel in your automobile.
6. You could evade (I meant to say “avoid”) these regulations if you could get a supply of aviation gasoline, which contains no ethanol. So, one wonders, why have they not diluted aviation gasoline? The simple answer is that it would make the operation of engines for small aircraft unreliable, and shorten times between engine overhauls. I have never myself tried aviation fuel in a gasoline-powered car. Aviation fuel is relatively costly, but has no road tax.
7. Diesel is a good alternative. The latest diesel engines (on cars sold in the USA) are more expensive than gasoline engines, and have a complex additive system which is a costly nuisance. I suggest used diesel cars as a good alternative. When people realize this, good, old diesel cars will be worth restoring and keeping on the road. I myself have a 1996 Volkswagen Passat TDI. It shows signs of its age and is somewhat clunky, but is very reliable. Because it has manual transmission, it is less likely to be stolen (according to statistics). (Apparently many thieves cannot drive stick-shift cars.) It has low insurance costs. It does not need to be inspected, because here in NJ diesels 1996 and older cannot be checked, because the state does not have the proper instrumentation. The downside is that I am frequently pulled over because of the lack of a current inspection sticker. I carry a letter explaining the situation, and this gives me a chance to become acquainted with the friendly, local policemen.
In conclusion, ethanol-dilution of gasoline is a swindle, a scandal, and an outrage. Ethanol is a poor fuel for internal combustion engines. Ethanol is for drinking, or for use as a solvent; not as fuel for cars.


43 posted on 12/03/2012 6:02:17 AM PST by docbnj
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Consumers often do not know which gasoline has been spiked with ethanol. In some states there are clear signs at the pump that this blend contains up to 10% ethanol, but in other states there is no labeling. E-85 (85% ethanol blend) pumps are in my experience clearly marked as fuel for only special flex fuel vehicles. However, in some states like Minnesota where 10% ethanol blends are mandated in all of the state's gasoline I have yet to see any notice except for non ethanol premium pumps that are labeled for use in collector vehicles, boats and snowmobiles. Minnesota has now passed a law that will require ALL of the states gasoline to contain 20% ethanol by 2013. Apparently this mandate still requires EPA approval, but should it be approved auto repair shops in Minnesota will have a huge increase in their business.

I attended a meeting where staunch ethanol advocate Sen. John Thune (R-SD) was put on the spot by one questioner who asked why if farmers are such advocates of corn ethanol fuels are there no farm vehicles like tractors and combines that use E-85? Thune had no answer. If an E-85 mandate were imposed on farm vehicles I bet there would be howls from farmers about the problems it would cause in their vehicles.

53 posted on 12/03/2012 6:51:20 AM PST by The Great RJ
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The time has come for the states to nullify Obama's tyrannical actions.

I hereby call on Gov. Rick Perry to announce a statewide BAN on E15 and overrule of the EPA edict.

56 posted on 12/03/2012 7:27:50 AM PST by montag813
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The simple truth is the EPA is dangerous to our well being, they need to be defunded, eliminated, not paid unemployement, and for past crimes, do say 20000 hrs of community service picking up litter in orange jumpsuits.


57 posted on 12/03/2012 7:28:53 AM PST by Joe Miner
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