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To: wintertime
Hey! I respect your godless religious worldview with regard to education as applied your children. And...If all education were privately delivered, your religious worldview would in no way rub or cause irritation to me.

I'm sorry, but where did I say anything about a "godless religious worldview"? Do not ever assume that just because a scientist studies evolutionary concepts or uses them in their work that they are godless. As far as I can tell, the religious affiliations of scientists pretty much reflect those of the general population.

Your very first sentence, again confirms my anecdotal observation, that evolutionist are BULLIES.

Teaching science in science classes is not bullying. If you must compare teaching accurate information to bullying, then you must be very lucky and never had the experience of being bullied. Bullying is a very serious matter that you're basically trying to trivialize.

My husband has a Ph.D. in biochemistry. He is the holder of numerous patents. He has published in the leading journals in his field and lectured worldwide.
The amount of time spent on macro evolution on the undergraduate level: 20 MINUTES!
The amount of time spent on macro evolution on the graduate school level: ZERO!

Is that supposed to impress me? I have a Ph.D. in biochemistry and molecular biology. I have published and presented my work at a number of conferences. Now that the gratuitous bragging is out of the way: Time spent studying evolution in undergraduate school--most of the time I spent in biology classes. Time spent studying evolution in graduate school--just about all of it. Evolutionary topics aren't necessarily called "evolution", but evolution still makes up a large part of biology and drives a huge amount of research.

My son-in-law is a chemical engineer and carries tremendous responsibility for the safety of the workers in his plant, the quality and purity of the product, and financial success of the company for which he works:
Time spent on macro evolution: ZERO!

Nice job, bringing up people you know who don't have degrees in the life sciences, are not life sciences researchers, and who haven't studied evolution nor use evolutionary theory to guide their work. I'd actually be surprised if a chemical engineer were concerned with deriving phylogenetic trees, or trying to determine why and how a particular metabolic pathway is different between different species.
Time I've spent studying chemical engineering processes: ZERO! In that case, they must be completely irrelevant to the modern world.

78 posted on 12/05/2012 4:51:25 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom

I'm sorry, but where did I say anything about a "godless religious worldview"?

The following ( your words) are the very definition of an education that is solidly and irrefutably godless in its worldview. If Sister Mary Victoria ( my 7th grade nun) were still alive she would be more than happy to straighten you out, if you continued to be confused about this point.

Your exact words:

Unless the subject is specifically religion related, I see no reason religion should be discussed in any class. We don't, for example, discuss integral calculus in English class, or the declension of Latin nouns in intermediate band class. And the only reason you would see something religious about the topics of biology/geology/astrophysics etc., is because you are injecting a religious component to those subjects where none exists

In my and my husband's Catholic schooling there was more than enough reason an opportunity to discuss religion in all of the classes that you mentioned above. In our family's homeschool as well. Gee! How did our family ever get to be so successful? Amazing isn't it?

In my more generous moods when I meet people who claim what you stated above, I assume that this worldview has been soooooo ingrained due to their godlessly secular indoctrination as children that they are like fish in water. They simply can not see the godless secular humanism in which their are swimming. At other times, I conclude that they are being **deliberately* and spitefully dense just to score debating points and to wear down their conversation partner. When their conversation companion walks away in disgust, the secular humanist falsely believes they have "won" the argument.

79 posted on 12/05/2012 5:25:36 AM PST by wintertime
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To: exDemMom
Here it is again with the HTML straightened out.

I'm sorry, but where did I say anything about a "godless religious worldview"?

The following ( your words) are the very definition of an education that is solidly and irrefutably godless in its worldview. If Sister Mary Victoria ( my 7th grade nun) were still alive she would be more than happy to straighten you out, if you continued to be confused about this point.

Your exact words:

Unless the subject is specifically religion related, I see no reason religion should be discussed in any class. We don't, for example, discuss integral calculus in English class, or the declension of Latin nouns in intermediate band class. And the only reason you would see something religious about the topics of biology/geology/astrophysics etc., is because you are injecting a religious component to those subjects where none exists

In my and my husband's Catholic schooling there was more than enough reason an opportunity to discuss religion in all of the classes that you mentioned above. In our family's homeschool as well. Gee! How did our family ever get to be so successful? Amazing isn't it?

In my more generous moods when I meet people who claim what you stated above, I assume that this worldview has been soooooo ingrained due to their godlessly secular indoctrination as children that they are like fish in water. They simply can not see the godless secular humanism in which their are swimming. At other times, I conclude that they are being **deliberately* and spitefully dense just to score debating points and to wear down their conversation partner. When their conversation companion walks away in disgust, the secular humanist falsely believes they have "won" the argument.

80 posted on 12/05/2012 5:28:30 AM PST by wintertime
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