Posted on 11/27/2012 10:23:53 PM PST by Arthurio
A Brevard County man remained in jail late Tuesday, accused of shooting a teenager dead in an argument over loud music.
Michael David Dunn, 45, and his girlfriend were in Jacksonville Friday for Dunn's son's wedding when they stopped at a convenience store, Jacksonville sheriff's Lt. Rob Schoonover said.
Jordan Russell Davis, 17, and several other teenagers were sitting in a sport utility vehicle in the parking lot when Dunn pulled up next to them in a car and asked them to turn down their music, Schoonover said.
Jordan and Dunn exchanged words, and Dunn pulled a gun and shot eight or nine times, striking Jordan twice, Schoonover said. Jordan was sitting in the back seat. No one else was hurt.
Dunn's attorney Monday said her client acted responsibly and in self-defense. She did not elaborate.
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Don't try to tell us that normal people merely get the girlfriend in the car and then go to a motel room, and hope that the cameras and witnesses didn't get our information.
Is Dunn claiming that the shotgun was fired at him???
Or, this is a middle aged business executive responding to a shotgun pointed at him and emptying the magazine to stop the threat as the SUV rockets away.
Yes, he made a mistake, a big one, in not calling the police to the scene. But, how many people here on FR make stupid comments about shoot, shovel, and shut up? People are not always thinking the clearest after a deadly force encounter.
You assume that he knew that he had hit and killed someone, but there is no reason to believe that he knew that he even hit anyone.
Not that I have seen.
Well we know for a fact that he shot and killed someone, but we don’t know for a fact that a shotgun was pointed at him.
Why play the internet weirdo and start working on a long imaginative narrative about a shooting that you don’t know about yet, but are determined to try and pretend that what little we do know isn’t real, while your narratives are?
So far, the facts are that this guy killed a man, fired shots at a fleeing car, and then got his girlfriend and fled to a motel.
This guy is in some serious trouble.
I don't condone what happened, I'm just saying I knew eventually something like this would happen.
For this is not merely loud music. It's torture. This is ultra low frequency vibration that carries for blocks, goes through walls and into your house and rattles you in your chair, wakes up you up if you're sleeping and scares small children and grandmothers. Until recently I had neighbors who would wake me up 5-7-10-12 times a day with these car subwoofers. They need to be banned. We banned Glasspacks and Engine Brakes and they both are nowhere's near as loud, far-reaching and pervasive as these subwoofers.
I, having tinnitus, am very sensitive to this. I have gone up to drivers and asked them to please turn it off and was met with a hearty "F-U!" and "Mind your own F-ing business". I said "Pal, you've made this my business" and stared at him like I was a crazy man.
I just walked away thinking to myself - somebody is going to get hurt over this some day. Well, it happened.
Right. It's a shame that people will be hurt and possibly die because our elected officials are too timid to address the problem and ban the subwoofers.
This is an outrageous article by CNN, someone needs to post it.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/28/us/florida-music-shooting/index.html
He is in trouble.
So far, the facts are that this guy killed a man, fired shots at a fleeing car, and then got his girlfriend and fled to a motel.
This guy is in some serious trouble.
I am no more portraying an imaginary scenario than you are. There are at least two sides to this account. You are accepting one side because it was presented first.
You could as easily say some people pointed a shotgun at a man who responded with lethal force. They fled the scene and then concocted a story for the police. That is what the other side is saying. Should we believe one side over the other, because the side that lost the encounter went to the police first?
I agree, we do not know much about it yet, but you are certainly accepting a version of it. I am saying that there is at least one alternate version.
He is in trouble.
I absolutely agree with you. He is in serious, big time, trouble. He should have called the police from the convenience store.
Dunn said he saw the barrel of the gun and then reached into his glove compartment and then had to take the time to load his weapon. That’s going to be a problem.
Don’t play that game, you are making up an imaginary narrative of events, not me.
What I posted seem to be the accepted basic outline of the story so far.
“”So far, the facts are that this guy killed a man, fired shots at a fleeing car, and then got his girlfriend and fled to a motel.””
That's is correct, actually the clerk that they bought the wine from had probably already called the police, the shooter should have waited for them.
Ping
Back when I was a youngster, I played bass. I had a station wagon. I had the use of a MASSIVE speaker for the bass, it was just easier to leave the thing in the car than to lug it into and out of the house. I had to fold the back seat flat to accommodate it. It was almost the size of a twin bed. I bought a decent amplifier and equalizer for it, and found that it delivered wonderful tone quality when played at a reasonable volume, which I preferred. Reasonable to me at that age meant that you could have a normal conversation in the car while it was playing.
One day I rolled up to a red light while passing through a sketchy neighborhood, and some nasty thug rolled up next to me with his crap blaring out the windows, giving 'you want a piece of me?' looks at everyone who appeared not to like it.
I put on Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, and turned it up to the point where it was practically shaking the bolts loose in my car. He looked like somebody's grandmother had just decked him with a right hook. Even pedestrians were laughing.
It had the same effect on me as a day at the range without hearing protection would have, so I never did it again. Funny as hell, though.
The link that you posted does not say what you typed.
Uncle Chip typed:
“Dunn said he saw the barrel of the gun and then reached into his glove compartment and then had to take the time to load his weapon. That’s going to be a problem.”
Here is what was at the link:
“Absolutely he was threatened. He was threatened,” Dunn’s attorney, Robin Lemonidis, said. “With a firearm. Mr. Dunn is very, very familiar with firearms. He is an avid firearms owner. Has a concealed weapons permit. Had his firearm properly secured and encased in his glove compartment, no rounds in the chamber, and when he started hearing epithets, and I don’t think I should say them here, in polite company, epithets that were extraordinarily threatening to him.”
She went on to say what her client told her he heard the teens say.
“Uh, ‘Kill that mother (expletive),’ ‘That mother (expletive) is dead,’ ‘You dead (expletive),’” Lemonidis said of what Dunn heard from the teens. “And he sees that much of a shotgun coming up over the rim of the SUV, which is up higher than his Jetta, and all he sees are heavily tinted front windows that are up and the back windows that are down, and the car has at least four black men in it, and he doesn’t know how old anyone is, and he doesn’t know anything, but he knows a shotgun when he sees one because he got his first gun as a gift from his grandparents when he was in third grade.”
Jacksonville police said Monday there was no gun found in the victim’s vehicle.
“I humbly suggest that they may not have looked hard enough, and it certainly would not have been in the vehicle when they looked unless they had stopped it immediately, which I doubt they did,” Lemonidis said.
<>The link that you posted does not say what you typed.<>
Oh Really!!!!
Did you fail to click on the little black box there with arrow in the middle with the word “PLAY” in it. Do that and the talking torsos will come up. Fast forward to 7:20 mark and listen to the federal prosecuting attorney.
He says that per Dunn’s own words, he reached into the glove box, gets the gun, loads the gun, and uses the gun. It doesn’t meet the requirements of being in imminent fear of death. He could just as easily backed his car up and driven away.
He dunn got big problems and his lawyer knows it. That’s why she is babbling nonsensically saying stuff like this:
“but he knows a shotgun when he sees one because he got his first gun as a gift from his grandparents when he was in third grade.”
Please ————
Here, both sides of the story are presented, in the New York Times, no less! I think it took them much longer to present Zimmerman’s side of events, but, that was before the election.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2963945/posts
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