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1 posted on 11/27/2012 9:35:53 PM PST by neverdem
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I have a theory that the Dems and the Pubbies have us pushed to the edge of the Fiscal Cliff, and we are backing up toward them while getting the Royal Screw Job!


2 posted on 11/27/2012 9:42:16 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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My opinion....Obama won!...give ‘em every thing they ask for...

The house should vote “present”...let the Senate decide....

Our kids will lead the rebellion!

4 posted on 11/27/2012 9:44:36 PM PST by M-cubed
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The repubs should refuse to go along and fight against the tax increases. If and when the economy crashes, they can come back to say, we warned the democrats not to do this. They will not get the blame. If, they go along with the dems with things collapse, the media will blame the republicans. They must stand firm and show Americans that these 2 parties stand differently: w/ higher taxing and the other does not.
5 posted on 11/27/2012 9:45:09 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. .Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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if we don’t force WashDC to CUT taxes substantially, and quickly, this recession could easily descend into a genuine depression


6 posted on 11/27/2012 9:47:48 PM PST by faithhopecharity (--)
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While some argue that going over the cliff gives a total win to the Democrats, they get both higher taxes on the rich and big Defense cuts, I agree we need to stand on principle this time and very forcefully focus the light on Democrats for the tax hit on the middle class - hopefully bringing a lot more people into the role of paying federal income tax. Too many currently have nothing in the game, and the fiscal cliff may be what it takes to get them back in. Those that voted for Zero or sat it out have no one else to blame, it could all have been avoided with some fiscal responsibility from the White House.


8 posted on 11/27/2012 9:51:12 PM PST by LibertyOh
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We need this degree of drama from some quarter to raise morale. We who are in shock are doing nothing, really, and are leaderless, left basically complying and cooperating, paying our taxes and fees, pounding our keyboards, but offering no real resistance. Yet.


9 posted on 11/27/2012 9:54:17 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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I’d be happy if Boehner just went home and refused any contact from the White Hut...


11 posted on 11/27/2012 9:59:48 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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All this for measly $100 Billion in cuts? In a year when spending was what, bout $3.5 Trillion? This is madness this talk of a “Fiscal Cliff.” It is nothing of the sort. Including the Defense cuts.


14 posted on 11/27/2012 10:21:13 PM PST by PghBaldy (Pete Hoekstra RE: Petraeus scandal - "There's more here than meets the eye.")
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Going over the cliff mans that 40% will not pay taxes instead of 47%. Increasing taxes on the top 2% only will make it impossible to ever shift the burden again.
Can you imagine proposing a tax hike on the middle class only or a cut for the rich only?


15 posted on 11/27/2012 10:21:29 PM PST by MNDude
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The Dims out witted the GOP again. They are all for the Defense cuts and are more than happy to see the GOP take the blame for both the likely recession and the Defense cuts...

I have no illusions about the ability of either party to Defend this country from our enemies...

17 posted on 11/27/2012 10:38:37 PM PST by montanajoe
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The payroll tax cut is nothing. What you gain on your pays tub is offset when you pay income tax on it.

A small business owner needs to write an article detailing in dollars and cents of raising tax rates on "the rich" and the affects on his/her business.

18 posted on 11/27/2012 10:47:27 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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Two days ago I moved my entire portfolio into TAB municipal bonds. (I was aggressively positioned with 70% stocks because I am still fairly young.) I don’t know much about finance, but I do know nothing good can come out of the next 4 years. I am just hoping to outlast the insanity. I’m not optimistic about the Country’s fiscal future! But I’m from a long line of Louisiana rednecks. We have a little land and we know how to put meat on a fire, so I guess we’ll be ok.


19 posted on 11/27/2012 10:52:20 PM PST by Casie (Chuck Norris 2016)
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This emotional blackmail has been the strategy behind everything 0bama and the Dems have done. America is being driven to total ruination because no one in DC will stand up to it.


21 posted on 11/27/2012 11:18:12 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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Even Buchanon has lost his mind. THERE IS NOTAX RATE THAT WILL INCREASE REVENUES NOW. Much less put a dent of any size in the debt or, apparently, spending.
22 posted on 11/27/2012 11:20:15 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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What are the perils for Republicans who sign on to an Obama deal?

They will sever themselves permanently from much of the base of the party. While their votes may ensure that tax rates or revenues rise, they will have no assurance that the promised spending cuts will ever be made. Even Reagan fell victim to this bait-and-switch.

Then, if the tax hikes slow the economy, Republican collaborators will share the blame. Not only will they have gone back on their word, they will have damaged the recovery. What would be their argument for re-election?

If you believe higher tax rates or tax revenues would be like poisoning an already weak economy, why would you collaborate in administering that poison? Why not just say no?

If Republicans want to save this party and fight another day, it's time to once again, say "NO."

24 posted on 11/27/2012 11:30:06 PM PST by GVnana
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Pass a Bill in the House that makes the Bush Tax Cuts permanent then send it to the Senate..

Then unplug the Phone in the Office of the Speaker of the House.

28 posted on 11/28/2012 12:04:04 AM PST by agincourt1415 (Tired of the current State, and Federal Tax System go here: APTTAX.com)
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Nothing the 535 plans will stop anything. The plans they are contemplating are the equivalent of a BB in a box car.

Our country is flat broke and everything ZERO plans does nothing to correct the problem.
The only good thing is maybe we can start over and get the congress our founding Fathers designed for US. Citizens going to Washington to serve kinda like Jury Duty. Not the cushy jobs & perks they have now.

33 posted on 11/28/2012 1:34:35 AM PST by DeaconRed (We couldn't beat the least qualified and absolute worst president ever. Our party is done for.)
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bump


35 posted on 11/28/2012 3:25:51 AM PST by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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Pass an extension of the Social Security payroll tax cut and block its automatic rise from 4.2 percent of wages to 6.2 percent.

Social security is bankrupt, so lets underfund it. Brilliant!!!

36 posted on 11/28/2012 3:38:57 AM PST by Go Gordon (It's barack hussein obama - because he doesn't believe in capitalism.)
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I agree with Pat on this but the SS cut never should have happened and it should be allowed to expire.


37 posted on 11/28/2012 3:48:07 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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