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1 posted on 11/21/2012 7:28:39 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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Regardless of the reasoning, Roberts murdered the Constitution when he voted against the Supreme Law of the Land on that day. My children and grandchildren will suffer because of his treason, and I will never forgive him.


2 posted on 11/21/2012 7:31:05 AM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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I think this is hogwash.

I personally think that Roberts was threatened by someone promising to open up the adoption files and paperwork for his kids, and Roberts did not want that to happen. Based on what they all wrote, he changed his mind quite suddenly and without fully communicating that to his peers.


3 posted on 11/21/2012 7:32:43 AM PST by DBrow
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Well, Roberts - it’s time now then.

Deport the swine kenyan.


4 posted on 11/21/2012 7:34:03 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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“And, according to Dershowitz, Roberts did it just so he could side with Republicans from now on without getting called out for being too conservative.”

So he intends to side with Republicans from now on after abandoning them in what is arguably one of the most pivotal cases in U.S. history?


5 posted on 11/21/2012 7:34:36 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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...street creed with who?...70% want it gone, who’s he going to hang with, the crips and bloods?


7 posted on 11/21/2012 7:37:04 AM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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That ruling was pure cowardice. The man is yellow, plain and simple.


8 posted on 11/21/2012 7:37:24 AM PST by microgood
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“Street cred” takes priority over the Constitution.


13 posted on 11/21/2012 7:44:33 AM PST by windsorknot
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My take is that Roberts over-thought the issue, and got "cute" with his ruling. He's given something to both sides, though for the Obama administration, the results are much more tangible--the law Obama signed was "upheld" by the USSC, and that's all they care about. They'll leave it for historians and pundits to debate what the practical meaning of the ruling is--it DOES NOT MATTER to him.

As for the Republicans and other conservatives, the grounds on which Roberts ruled seems to paint a way forward, but it's a very tenuous one. I'm not a legal scholar, but the PPACA was upheld...I'm not sure there are "qualifiers" on the justifications for upholding a law. It's either Constitutional, or it isn't.

Roberts gave Republicans the political talking point that they could call the implementation a "tax," but the window for using that talking point has passed. The November elections came and went, and most Obama supporters didn't care that PPACA was a tax. Most supporters are thrilled, because they don't see it as skin off their backs.

The only real limitation in the ruling was the Medicare expansion within individual states. What will that limitation bring with respect to the overall implementation of the law? My understanding is that it will create a much more rocky road, which could cause a political situation with voters who think come January 1, 2014, healthcare is going to start magically appearing on every street corner. Will the media show angry throngs of people outside doctor's offices? Will we see horror stories of people dying in ERs? Will will see stories of elderly patients with tears in their eyes, as they're turned away for treatment, or placed on long waiting lists?

18 posted on 11/21/2012 7:47:08 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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“And what he did by writing the decision the way he did is No. 1, he gave himself a lot of street cred”

“Street cred” is originally a term used by criminals meaning they have powerful friends or a willingness to use violence so people won't mess with them. The term has been adopted by liberals to mean popular with leftist media, leftist elites etc.

The idea that the constitutionality of a law should be decided by “street cred” rather than an intelligent reading of the constitution is so destructive to our Republic that words can not describe it.

The important thing to understand is that Dershowitz as well as the other liberals in the media and academia are not even pretending that Roberts’ decision on Obamacare has anything to do with the facts or the law in this case.

The conclusion by everyone is that Roberts’ ignored the constitution and his oath to uphold the constitution. Dershowitz is just speculating on the reason for this decision. He is probably wrong. But the overall point is the constitution no longer matters. Whether you call it “street cred”, political expedience or out and out fear something is very wrong with the Supreme Court decision on Obamacare.

19 posted on 11/21/2012 7:48:00 AM PST by detective
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Can Supreme Court justices be impeached? If Dershowitz is right, then Roberts doesn’t belong on the court.


20 posted on 11/21/2012 7:48:19 AM PST by Mr. Know It All
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Chief Justice John Roberts' decision will eventually lead to single payer (gubmint) healthcare and the total loss of freedom. But who's really to blame? Lee Harvey Oswald.
Had he not killed JFK, there's no way LBJ gets to the WH with his America destroying policies like Vietnam, great society, etc.
21 posted on 11/21/2012 7:49:54 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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The traitor Roberts did his huge share of pushing us over the cliff.
27 posted on 11/21/2012 8:09:06 AM PST by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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OK then if it was A TAX then why wansn;t it shot down doe having originated in the Senate (all tax bills must come from the house)


31 posted on 11/21/2012 8:15:40 AM PST by Mr. K (some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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Whatever his motivation, he solidified his legacy as just another second rate justice who crapped on the constitution.


33 posted on 11/21/2012 8:23:01 AM PST by Iron Munro (Romney lost the)
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His street cred is only going to matter so long as Kennedy, Scalia, Alito and Thomas stay on the Court. Any of those (good possibility of the first two) leave before there’s another GOP President and he’s going to find himself on the “4” side of a lot of 5-4 decisions.


35 posted on 11/21/2012 8:29:48 AM PST by tanknetter
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Both reasons are ridiculous. First, he could vote conservatively on every decision and it wouldn’t matter what anyone thought about it, since he has a lifetime appointment. Second, he could have written the majority decision and “stuck it to Obama” even if he had voted against Obamacare, since his was the deciding vote, and he is the Chief Justice, so that is his prerogative.


40 posted on 11/21/2012 9:10:11 AM PST by Boogieman
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Any way you look at it, Roberts betrayed Bush and the conservative Senators who voted for his conformation. He could have stopped Obamacare in it's tracks, and possibly even sent a not so subtle message to Obama that his Marxist agenda would not pass muster as long as the Court has 4 conservative and 1 moderate Justices. But he didn't, and that's that like it or not.

What concerns me most is that without a truly conservative USSC majority to hold him back, Obamacare, the system we have rejected for 3/4 century, will reach it's carefully pre-planned full bloom over the next 4 years. And even worse, Obamacare is just the tip of the Marxist iceberg that the good ship America is sailing straight into with Obama at the helm. With only wishy-washy go-along-to -get-along Republicrats such as Bohner (sp?) as a restraint on his Marxist agenda the US will be in the same sinking boat as socialist Europe by the time he's through. All I can say now is pray for America. If we as a people would return to faith in and respect for the Christian God of our forefathers in our way of life and our principles of justice and liberty I believe He will turn this nation around and back toward it's founder's ideals. But sad to say I don't see that happening, in fact I see the younger generation(s) heading in exactly the opposite direction full speed ahead.

42 posted on 11/21/2012 9:24:01 AM PST by epow (The way of the cross leads home)
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If this were truly Roberts’ reasoning, he’d have picked some chicken-shit case to flip on — not something as huge as Obamacare. Roberts was so blackmailed. It’s how the Chicago Machine operates. All of their successes are the result of thuggery.


43 posted on 11/21/2012 9:29:32 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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Pyrrhic victory. Roberts destroyed the nation when he upheld Obamacare. Wrong decision to gain your “street cred”. This is like an FBI deep cover agent killing his own wife and children to show he his “gang loyalty” so he can bust a big drug dealer. Sure, you get the big bust, but what life do you have to go back to when you are done.

Insanity. Roberts destroyed the nation. Nothing matters after that. Who gives a hoot in hell if he makes a parade of conseravative decisions but our economy is ruined and our freedom is already gone.


44 posted on 11/21/2012 10:04:07 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Pray to God. Apologize to your children.)
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Roberts’s vote on SCOTUS won’t matter after Obama appoints 2 more young communist jurists. There will be 6 liberals on the bench so it really won’t matter a whit what the other 3 people think or do.


45 posted on 11/21/2012 10:05:31 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Pray to God. Apologize to your children.)
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