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To: dervish

Perhaps but I know I’ve had much greater success after abandoning it.

Take “flanking”, for instance.

That’s a pretty crappy thing to do to a dog.

Odin’s never been ‘flanked’ in his life and he’s the most ‘willing to bite’ Dobe I’ve ever owned.

My dog’s physical therapist has gotten rich off of the cervical damage done by the Koehler ‘sudden change of direction” that jerks a dog off its feet when teaching them to heel.

Upwards of 80% of dogs x-rayed have cervical damge from improper training.

You may imply that I’m “like a leftist” to your heart’s desire but it will not change the way I train my own dogs.

I refuse to inflict cruelty, pain or suffering upon them to force them to submit to my will.

Koehler’s time is gone.


78 posted on 11/22/2012 5:41:21 PM PST by Salamander (If animals could speak, mankind would weep. Anthony Douglas Williams)
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To: Salamander
My dog’s physical therapist has gotten rich off of the cervical damage done by the Koehler ‘sudden change of direction” that jerks a dog off its feet when teaching them to heel.

Pinch collars are actually safer for the dog - but they have to be fit by someone who knows something.

So should a choke, for that matter.

81 posted on 11/22/2012 6:05:53 PM PST by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: Salamander

I don’t know what “flanking” is, but I assume it is part of Guard Dog training.

I obedience train with the Koehler method. I don’t know of a single dog over my twenty years of training that has had cervical damage. Prong collars do not harm dogs. I have heard that the Halti Leads cause cervical spine damage.

“Upwards of 80% of dogs x-rayed have cervical damge from improper training.”

One, why were they x-rayed in the first place? Two, what do you think happens when you x-ray the human spine — abnormalities are found. Without symptoms that is meaningless. Three, where is your proof of cause and effect - cervical damage is caused by improper training.

You may call it cruel but that is a conclusion I disagree with. What is cruel is an untrained dog that results in filled shelters and dead dogs. The Koehler method works. It allows a dog more freedom since the result is a reliable dog off leash.


82 posted on 11/22/2012 6:21:25 PM PST by dervish (either the vote was corrupt or the electorate is)
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To: Salamander
Take “flanking”, for instance.

What is "flanking"?

83 posted on 11/22/2012 6:32:34 PM PST by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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