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To: yldstrk

It is not the horrors of war. When Obama took office, the suicide rate in the military was half of the general population of the same age group in general society. It now exceeds the general population.

With the rules of engagement changing under Obama and the frustration of not being able to protect themselves or the men under them that they are responsible for, they are feeling hopeless. I hear their stories.

I’ve talked to quite a few soldiers who tell me of their men being court martialed for returning fire when shot at by snipers. Of inept commanders pulling the perimeter guards and allowing truck bombs to enter their field bases. I hear the horror stories. Of being put in tents to sleep within range of insurgent fire, who open fire on them at night and then drop their guns. The soldiers are told they cannot shoot back unless the insurgent has a gun in hand and firing.

I hate to say it, but these men are turning their anger and frustration inward rather than at the administration that is creating this mess. It is only a matter of time until this explodes in a different direction. These men are angry!

The reason that Gen Ham was replaced was because he did not hold back on rescuing fellow soldiers in peril. It’s time the military realizes who their real enemy is!


13 posted on 11/20/2012 8:49:42 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

Obama’s fault.


28 posted on 11/20/2012 9:01:07 AM PST by Salamander (If animals could speak, mankind would weep. Anthony Douglas Williams)
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To: tired&retired

exactly

people are saying this is because of war, no it is not.

Vets come back to a place which says thank you and then the the vee is on their own.
They can;t get jobs, the VA is a waste, they don;t have the pals around them

PC is killing the military and last year the homosexuals, cross dressers can serve openly, .
Since that came into affect the rapes on men jumped like it never has.
19,000 sexual assaults on men in one year, just one year, when was that year.?
Last year, the year after homosexuals and cross dressers can serve openly.

Then look around at some who now join, they;re a waste of time, whilst we have good men joining we also get for every good person joining we get a PC idiot or someone looking for their free school, loans paid off, VA etc.

We want to get rid of suicides ot make it go down then stop the PC nonsense, stop letting poeple join who will never handle the military and are more suited to picking tulips in the flower garden.


32 posted on 11/20/2012 9:04:41 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: tired&retired

I haven’t heard much news from Afghanistan in the last few years. But I got hold of a series of books on the war written by James Christ. Great books about the men of the 10th Mountain Divisin and the Embedded trainers (mostly National Guard). Understrentght, outnumbered, constant sniper fire, ambushes, IEDs and attacks on their outposts. And to top it off they have the absolute worst ROEs imaginable. Also read the Dakota Myers story, a US Marine who was awarded the MOH, it will make you sick. Then maybe you can understand why these guys are fucked up when they come home. These guys were constantly on patrols and their commanders broke every lesson learned from the past wars. hell they had to, they were working out of small outpost scattered all over a large area in the most dangerous areas of Afghanistan.

I recommend these books,about 10 of them, to everyone who wants to know what your soldiers and marines are up against in this war. God bless, we don’t deserve them.


61 posted on 11/20/2012 9:32:08 AM PST by Americanexpat
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To: tired&retired; cindy-true-supporter; EDINVA; ExTexasRedhead
It is not the horrors of war. When Obama took office, the suicide rate in the military was half of the general population of the same age group in general society. It now exceeds the general population.

With the rules of engagement changing under Obama and the frustration of not being able to protect themselves or the men under them that they are responsible for, they are feeling hopeless. I hear their stories.

I’ve talked to quite a few soldiers who tell me of their men being court martialed for returning fire when shot at by snipers. Of inept commanders pulling the perimeter guards and allowing truck bombs to enter their field bases. I hear the horror stories. Of being put in tents to sleep within range of insurgent fire, who open fire on them at night and then drop their guns. The soldiers are told they cannot shoot back unless the insurgent has a gun in hand and firing.

I hate to say it, but these men are turning their anger and frustration inward rather than at the administration that is creating this mess. It is only a matter of time until this explodes in a different direction. These men are angry!

The reason that Gen Ham was replaced was because he did not hold back on rescuing fellow soldiers in peril. It’s time the military realizes who their real enemy is!


I agree with your assessment. Bears repeating.

94 posted on 11/20/2012 12:21:05 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Not only no, but HELL NO we will NOT moderate our stance."-- Jim Robinson)
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To: tired&retired
I hate to say it, but these men are turning their anger and frustration inward rather than at the administration that is creating this mess. It is only a matter of time until this explodes in a different direction. These men are angry!

It would not surprise me that there is talk and chatter among the good generals and so on that are left on the current state of affairs of our country, hint-hint.
99 posted on 11/20/2012 12:43:21 PM PST by Nowhere Man (I miss you Whitey! (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012). Take care, pretty girl!)
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