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1 posted on 11/17/2012 11:02:31 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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It would cost me all those blue states.

Ain’t that tragic?


2 posted on 11/17/2012 11:05:14 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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It’s only a couple of years since Texas governor Rick Perry hoisted a rhetorical secessionist flag in response to Obamacare.

Didn't Barack Obama have some allegiance with the persons in Hawaii who want to secede?

3 posted on 11/17/2012 11:15:07 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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Zero would just imagine that he’s the reincarnation of Lincoln...trying to protect the blacks (and gays, lesbians, transgender, muslims, hispanics, poor,urban etc) and save the union. The press would totally agree.

We who want out would be portrayed as selfish racist traitors and our weapons would be confiscated.

Come to think of it zero might welcome this event.


4 posted on 11/17/2012 11:16:45 AM PST by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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He’s assuming all social programs will continue to function the same and pay the parasites the same, they won’t. Get rid of federally mandated social engineering programs and a lot of overhead goes away. What about the people getting the checks you say? Tell them to get a job, stop spitting out kids as a single welfare parent, or move to somewhere that still wants to support you, or die. Would take few years but the problem would solve itself. Alambama could support itself quite well without the federal government if they were willing to take a “tough love” approach to fiscal responsibility.


5 posted on 11/17/2012 11:19:05 AM PST by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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Who pays for social security retirement benefits or military retirement pay?


8 posted on 11/17/2012 11:28:18 AM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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quote “That’s because your state receives far more back from Uncle Sam in government spending than you pay in federal taxes. If you go it alone, you’ll have to make up the difference yourselves. “

um... no.

Because we would stop paying for most of the crap the federal government does. Those states the article mentions that receive so much more in federal assistance than the rest of the nation... just happen to have the largest percentage of blacks, which disproportionately use welfare and over federal government handouts.

If we seceeded. We would STOP all those welfare payments to those groups causing them to.... flee to the North where they can once again be happy on the plantation having their every want taken care of including free Obama-phones!


9 posted on 11/17/2012 11:29:35 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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We'll just have to make sure that Meatloaf doesn't end up around Gettysburg next year...
12 posted on 11/17/2012 11:32:22 AM PST by mikrofon (Obviously sci-fi since the Black President is depicted as the "greatest ever known")
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Within ten years, the US federal government will be waging war on its citizens. Probably won't be that many bullets. The only weapon they need is starvation.

The entire misanthropic "environmental" movement is a thinly-disguised propaganda campaign to get US citizens to accept that they are bad for Mother Earth, and that the best thing that could happen to Mother Earth is for them to do the right thing and die.

14 posted on 11/17/2012 11:38:30 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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"But the bad news is really, really bad . . . you will get fewer government services"

Government services like the EPA stopping you from improving your land or the FDA telling you which medicine you cannot have. Most "government services" are imposed by force, and Free people do not want them.

15 posted on 11/17/2012 11:40:48 AM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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It would cost me about 750,000 illegal aliens that would leave the State once no free money was available.


18 posted on 11/17/2012 11:46:39 AM PST by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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People in those states who vote Republican or conservative now to vote against Washington DC or New York or federal taxes or abortion or gay marriage, may find themselves voting liberal for more government programs and benefits if all those issues and concerns are taken off the table -- at least if history is any indication, since over time independence movements usually result in more rather than less government.

How likely is it that downscale Texans or Southerners would forever let their vote be determined by animosity for those across the Northern border? If you don't have the usual suspects to vote against, things can change pretty quickly.

Also, some people assume that a seceding state or region (or what remains of the rest of the country) would see an economic boom due to the break-up. I suspect the result of secession and disunion would be to make all the successor states economic backwaters, as investment flows to greener pastures abroad.

19 posted on 11/17/2012 11:48:12 AM PST by x
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The upside is you will be liberated from the sheer living hell of the federal tax code.

I don’t care where you live, and how badly run your local state government is. Nothing could be worse than this monstrosity.

Yes it could and will!

The so called fiscal cliff is just the excuse our out of control Congress needs to make the tax code even more arcane.

Our congress critters have learned long ago how to make friends and influence campaign donors by strategically writing tax law to reward their friends and punish those that are not their friends.

With an impending tax cliff straight a head there is ample opportunity to wring campaign cash out of those wealthy individuals and corporations for a few favorable lines of tax law.

21 posted on 11/17/2012 11:50:24 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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If the premise of the article were even vaguely true, the FedGov wouldn't allow these states to secede, it would expel them!
22 posted on 11/17/2012 11:51:32 AM PST by null and void (America - Abducted by Aliens...)
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There is a national debt that I would not have to pay my share. The total unpaid amount of debts of Uncle Sam is almost $150Trillion. I could succeed and live a third world existence and be rich next to Uncle Sam when he collapses.
23 posted on 11/17/2012 11:54:05 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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Secession will probably become necessary to save/restore America (the culture and the founding principles), but there really is a bad side that has to be resolved.

The U.S. federal govt would retain control of the military assets, the currency, and federal property.

On the micro level, what happens to the SSN/Medicare/military “pensions” that individuals have paid into if these individuals reside in a Free State? Would folks have to self-deport to a Slave State in order to retain their earned benefits?


25 posted on 11/17/2012 11:57:22 AM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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So this genius is saying that states that seceded would have trouble paying for the goodies for illegals, fat welfare mommas and the golden retirement plans of fascist bureaucrats.

I’d call this guy an imbecile but it’s too obvious.


35 posted on 11/17/2012 12:18:11 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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This blather totally ignores the insane $1.5 TRILLION burden of fedgiv regulations!


39 posted on 11/17/2012 12:26:12 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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No one has to secede. Just split the states.


49 posted on 11/17/2012 12:42:10 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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With a rational tax policy, a free Texas would become the Hong Kong of the West.

Productive wealthy people would flock to Texas from all over the world — including the blue states.

Also, Texas could join forces with Alaska to be the OPEC of the West.


55 posted on 11/17/2012 1:05:54 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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For most of you in the New Confederacy of the South and West, if you secede you will end up paying more in taxes than you do now, and you will get fewer government services.

So?? Where in the constitution does it say we need to have a FEDERAL Department of Education??

57 posted on 11/17/2012 1:24:41 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (More Republicans stayed home then the margin of victory of O's Win...)
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