Posted on 11/11/2012 5:06:58 PM PST by SeekAndFind
There are at least three options in how conservatives respond to the election results:
First, conservatives can take the Tucker Carlson, David Frum, and Bill Kristol approach by nominating even more moderate Republicans and shamelessly pandering to disparate constituent groups, hoping to cobble together a larger coalition than liberals.
...and toward what end? Abandoning core principles can only undermine conservatives' credibility, and liberals will just choose to demonize right-leaning candidates on other issues. Even if the cave and pander strategy is successful, then what is the difference between the parties? What is achieved?
A variation on this approach is to give up entirely. There was no shortage of conservatives willing to do that late Tuesday.
Second, conservatives can focus on how to approach the electorate who, according to exit polls, really believed that Romney was going to ban the sale of birth control pills and condoms, who favored expanding ObamaCare, and who believed that Bush is still responsible for the economic mess.
A more viable variation on this is, as Sarah Palin pointed out, to realize that media bias is so severe that conservatives can't communicate with voters. By implication, to succeed in future elections, conservatives need to find a way to bypass the liberal "lamestream" media and reach low-information voters who get their news from Comedy Central and MSNBC. Brent Bozell at Media Research Center has spent 25 years trying to combat liberal media bias. Glenn Beck is leading in this direction in creating a new media network. Being a trendsetter and controlling the new "cool" is a daunting task.
Third, conservatives can focus on turning out voters more likely to vote for conservatives. The pre-election polls were correct.
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When I was young we didn't have to have security stickers on products to stop lowlifes from stealing. Most people were honest - black and white. Doors weren't locked at night in many cities. We didn't HAVE to have closed circuit cameras in every store, every gas station, and every school. The values of the country have changed - thank the schools with their stupid lifeboat ethics courses... poverty pimp values, illegals flooding into the country...
Our voting systems reflect the country of our memories not the one we live in today.
If we want to win elections we have to grow up. Dems cheat - they steal - they riot if they don't get their way. They're not nice people. The places we vote should be MORE protected than our 7/11's. More protected than our gas stations. Our free society should mean more than a slurpy.. or a pack of cigarettes from a gas station. The lowlifes steal votes too - and get kickbacks and put their friends in cushy jobs. We can afford to protect the right to vote for all citizens.
Dems vote the people who don't show up to vote. They vote FOR them - that's how they cheat. Cameras need to record the number of people going in to vote and the number leaving. Voter ID laws will NOT stop the kind of cheating democrats do in inner cities. And yes, I'm referring to the fact that most large scale cheating goes on in black inner city neighborhoods. (Just in case someone felt I was afraid of speaking the truth...) Florida has some areas where 100% of the people voted in a precinct. I gotta tell you guys - as an old democrat myself - that's a sign of major cheating. And not that well done...
Our first business - is change the laws on voting. Set up cameras that count the people going in to vote. Pay security people to watch. This is NOT the country many of us grew up in - it's a third world banana republic - and it's been looted to the point of bankruptcy....
I suspect you may as well ask, "Who is John Galt?"
Relax...there’s nothing to fight right now. Obama and his minions are headed for the cliff, and nothing will stop them. Once the economy crashes, that’s when real Americans need to band together in their local communities and struggle through the rebuilding process.
The ferrel humans will either starve to death, or die in the process of looting. Once everything settles down a little, we can re-acknowledge the original Constitution and declare D.C. never to be rebuilt - a constant reminder that without God and reason, and constitutional limits, that will also be the New United States’ end.
Blue states not allowed in the new union will be left to fend for themselves, while NUSA prospers.
Typing from my phone...feral humans...sorry.
We would need a database of all voters with facial image detection to show real-time repeat voting of individuals linked with watchers in every precinct in every state.
You would still have to have a Board of Elections that wants to stop fraud. I suspect most don't so it wouldn't matter what you did to count or identify fraudulent voters.
The election gave us the response to that question.
Until we are willing to fight for our principles as violently and single-mindedly as the Left does, we may as well be outnumbered. I keep hearing we don’t want to become them, but the alternative is to become extinct.
“Huh? Conservatives aren’t even a majority in the republican party... We are absolutely outnumbered. The country has gone off the left end and only the disaster of collapse will change things. Combine the domestic mess with Obama ceding our sovereignty (which he will do by treaty) and the American era is over for ever.”
There’s no point in being a conservative if people are willing to compromise their beliefs/values in the last hours for the sake of GOP POWER. Those who voted for a TRUE conservative (write-in) aren’t crying into their pillows at night. They’ve accepted the idea that Romney/Obama was a lose/lose scenario from the start. Conservatism was DOA the moment Romney accepted the nomination.
If we had not exported jobs to China, we would still be in the catbird seat.
See that is what the problem is.
Post after post on this board does not identify the problem.
China.
China is not a free trade state. China is predatory, and only sells goods.
“If we had not exported jobs to China, we would still be in the catbird seat.
See that is what the problem is.
Post after post on this board does not identify the problem.
China.
China is not a free trade state. China is predatory, and only sells goods.”
I don’t see this as too big an issue. The global economy is changing and the United States needs to change with it. Just like the phrase “you can’t out-Walmart Walmart” you can’t “out-China China”.
We need to SPECIALIZE in something. China “specializes” in cheap mfg and labor. We have to improve our science & technology programs in our schools to bring up fresh, innovative thinking. Like it or not, cheap labor is here to stay. If it wasn’t China, it would be Mexico. Even our “American” cars are made is Mexico.
No you are wrong.
China specializes in exports.
Increasingly good exports.
And in NOT buying imports.
That is leading to a very bad conclusion to the current state of being.
You need to re-read my post and find where I said anything about China importing products.
What I am talking about is, not trying to compete with China from a mfg standpoint. We need to change the nature of our economy to favor a more white-collar work force that INNOVATES.
You've identified the problem. We can't out-freebie the 'Rats. They are just too good at it and the 'Pub candidates who try are playing a fool's game. We have now two and three generations of voters out there who are inured to the entitlement mentality. They think government exists to give them things. They have no idea of what the Founders believed the purpose of government was. I don't think there are many school children out there today who have even read the Declaration. The words "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,..." are utterly foreign to them.
I am afraid that I am coming around to the viewpoint that the only way to change it is to let it collapse of it's own weight and then try to rebuild the Republic in the image that the Founders made. Unfortunately, getting there will involve a lot of pain and suffering, but we've walked that road before.
You don’t understand how democrats cheat. When democrats cheat they vote the people who don’t bother to show up. Here’s how easy it is to catch. If 200 people walk into a precinct to vote - and at the end of the night the vote shows a total of 3,000 people voting - there’s fraud. You don’t need fancy cameras. The old fashion kind will do just fine...
To what end? Who will you tell of the cheating? Someone in the media? Would you bring a civil suit? Would you ask an Election Board to act? Would you agree that what you propose is all still after the fact, with no proof of fraud in another lost election?
You miss the point:
China will compete with is in every market. Always.
We need to equalize things. China has an advantage.
So we should built one in return.
Tax Chinese imports. That will contribute to our budget (no more spending needed) and encourage exports.
If China raises their prices, then we can drop the taxes. But right now we need a fix.
Big time.
Why do US consumers buy Chinese manufactured crap?
“You miss the point:
China will compete with is in every market. Always.
We need to equalize things. China has an advantage.”
Couldn’t disagree more. China is not a creative, innovative country. They just aren’t wired that way as a culture like we are... we DO have advantage here.
HOWEVER, I believe we do need a way to hold China’s feet to the fire regarding copyrights.
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