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To: cripplecreek

“If we give them amnesty, America is finished permanently”

Quite a quandary we face, no?

1. Refuse to support amnesty, the hispanics support dems by 4-1.

2. Support amnesty, and the resultant new hispanic voters (along with the current ones) will support dems by 4-1.

Immigration should`ve been seriously handled in the 1980s before the cancer metastasized to its present state. It`s inoperable now.

Amerika is finished as a 50-state union. The only chance for a future is an amicable separation along the lines delineated between “red” and “blue” states. Some population shifts will need to occur to create some form of contiguous linking. among the “red” regions.

Other than that, we`re screwed.


43 posted on 11/11/2012 4:21:41 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: ScottinVA

We aren’t as finished as you think. The GOP holds all 3 branches of government in 24 states. The democrats hold all 3 in 14. Our challenge is to regain state power over our own self determination.


49 posted on 11/11/2012 4:37:11 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ScottinVA
"amicable separation"

I've thought about that possibility, but I'd wait until after 2016. If we can get trounced again, time to offer the country a split. But not only will the lack of producers kill the Socialist States of America. The vast majority of farmers are Republicans. If we split up farm acreage equally like we'll do everything else, who will operate the socialist farms? Virtually all Dem voters live in urban areas. It would highly amusing when after five years of lack of food, the SS of A asks us for food to feed their starving citizens.

54 posted on 11/11/2012 4:48:09 AM PST by driftless2
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To: ScottinVA; cripplecreek; Travis McGee; kabar
Immigration should`ve been seriously handled ...

Coulda, shoulda, woulda. Or, too bad, so sad. Seriously, when are people going to realize that this was an intentional take down?

If you're in the business of selling debt, you want customers buying your product ie debt, right? Skills, wages, savings, earnings & (capital) investments are like garlic to these vampires.

To make it even better, why dick around with one-offs (ie individuals) when you can go for the whole enchilada by collectively selling debt @ the fed, state & local level in the multi-trillions?

So, you go for the two-fer: import/train people who want increased gov't programs (debt); AND import people who don't possess enough skills to effectively add any value (ie earn wages) to the economy other than mow lawns. Thus, everyone must supplement their cost-of-living via debt.

CC, the biggest obstacle this country faces is people like you who cannot bring themselves to admit the game is over. After Stalingrad in Feb '43, it was all over except the crying. The smart ones knew the score, and prepared for the end-game.

Travis has been all over this. You can delay, pray, wish & hope, but it's already baked into the cake. The sooner we get through this process, the sooner we can begin the re-building process.

63 posted on 11/11/2012 5:03:07 AM PST by semantic
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To: ScottinVA
1. Refuse to support amnesty, the hispanics support dems by 4-1.

2. Support amnesty, and the resultant new hispanic voters (along with the current ones) will support dems by 4-1.

Immigration should`ve been seriously handled in the 1980s before the cancer metastasized to its present state. It`s inoperable now.

This isn't about amnesty, it is about our legal immigration policies that have changed the demographics of this country since the passage of the 1965 Immigration Act. Amnesty will just hasten the process, which has been long underway.

The U.S. adds one international migrant (net) every 36 seconds. Immigrants account for one in 8 U.S. residents, the highest level in more than 90 years. In 1970 it was one in 21; in 1980 it was one in 16; and in 1990 it was one in 13. In a decade, it will be one in 7, the highest it has been in our history. And by 2050, one in 5 residents of the U.S. will be foreign-born.

Currently, 1.6 million legal and illegal immigrants settle in the country each year; 350,000 immigrants leave each year, resulting in a net immigration of 1.25 million. Since 1970, the U.S. population has increased from 203 million to 310 million, i.e., over 100 million. In the next 40 years, the population will increase by an additional 130 million to 440 million. Three-quarters of the increase in our population since 1970 and the projected increase will be the result of immigration. The U.S., the world’s third most populous nation, has the highest annual rate of population growth of any developed country in the world, i.e., 0.963% (2011 estimate,) principally due to immigration.

The nation’s immigrant population (legal and illegal) reached 40 million in 2010, the highest number in our history. The U.S. immigrant population has doubled since 1990, nearly tripled since 1980, and quadrupled since 1970, when it stood at 9.7 million. Of the 40 million immigrants in the country in 2010, 13.9 million arrived in 2000 or later making it the highest decade of immigration in American history, even though there was a net loss of jobs during the decade. Growth in the immigrant population has primarily been driven by high levels of legal immigration. Roughly three-fourths of immigrants in the country are here legally. With nearly 12 million immigrants, Mexico was by far the top immigrant-sending country, accounting for 29 percent of all immigrants and 29 percent of growth in the immigrant population from 2000 to 2010. The median age of immigrants in 2010 was 41.4 compared to 35.9 for natives.

87 percent of the 1.2 million legal immigrants entering annually are minorities as defined by the U.S. Government and almost all of the illegal aliens are minorities. By 2019 half of the children 18 and under in the U.S. will be classified as minorities and by 2042, half of the residents of this country will be minorities. Generally, immigrants and minorities vote predominantly for the Democrat Party. Hence, Democrats view immigration as a never-ending source of voters that will make them the permanent majority party.

Immigrants and minorities vote predominantly Democrat. The Asians voted more Dem than Hispanics in 2012. What we are seeing now is the product of decades of immigration that have changed the nation demographically. It is like boiling a frog slowly. We are being boiled in multiculturalism and diversity.

We did address the immigration issue in the 1980s. The 1986 amnesty was supposed to solve our illegal alien problem once and for all. The proponents said it would be a one-time event never to happen again. The USG estimated 1 million would apply, but the true number turned out to be 2.7 million. Today we have 12 to 20 million illegal aliens and now the Dems and moderate Reps are calling for another one even though the first one didn't work because we never invoked the enforcement provisions of the 1986 amnesty.

84 posted on 11/11/2012 6:12:05 AM PST by kabar
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To: ScottinVA

Hispanics of whatever stripe come from the Napoleonic Code legal system and dictatorships.

Asians: ditto, except for S. Korea and India. India, however, is pure caste.

People who want things from power bow to power. People who want power do what it takes to get it.

Few want freedom.


115 posted on 11/11/2012 8:37:22 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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