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To: Fester Chugabrew
The American ideal - how it is iterated and practiced in history in a world so full of change - needs a solid voice that undercuts the media on the one hand, and reaches out personally to the masses who do not live in our bubble.If you adhere to what is written in the biblical texts it should come as no surprise to be an alien in the midst of a hostile environment. Count it a blessing!

I agree.

Here's the problem as I see it. You can't reach out "personally to the masses" You have to reach individuals or very small groups on very big scale. I have spent countless hours trying to figure out how to reach people with a message that should be important to them. What I have concluded is that you must first know your audience and when trying to reach a large crowd you could literally have over a dozen perspectives and attitudes within that group.

The message, BTW, has nothing to do with being a republican or democrat, liberal or conservative, those are labels that are attached after the fact.

Our message will not be received by someone that does not have the same foundations of belief. It won't make any sense to them since their worldview is built on a foundation, shaky as it may be, that is incompatible with this new information.

What I have experienced is that even when someone seems amenable, as soon as they realize either consciously or subconsciously that this new information creates a conflict with currently held beliefs, they will either react by disengaging completely or will lash out violently.

I have determined that there are very few things that can change a persons worldview. Experience, crisis and a persons thoughtful sincere quest for truth being the most common. The fact is, most people don't want to hear anything we may have to say, they are just not prepared to deal with the implications.

19 posted on 11/08/2012 7:29:03 PM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: Zeneta
You have to reach individuals or very small groups on very big scale.

Thanks. Yes. That's putting it in clearer terms. It is not out of the question, with Zero in office a second time around, that a crisis will occur resulting in an enormous change across the board in our population's view of government. I almost wonder if both Zero and Romney are shocked at what happened, with Zero secretly wishing he could get off the stage. Well, he's holding the bag now, while the population seems content to double down on stupid.

35 posted on 11/09/2012 4:30:28 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew (double trouble, here we come)
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To: Zeneta
Yours is an excellent post and very astute. The divide in America is based upon culture and world-view, this transcends to socioeconomic status. If your world view is capitalism is bad and the white man pillaged the country to gain his status, then you will relate/vote for the one that speaks the same language.

Exactly what is being taught in our schools anyway? Which person, the one who sees capitalism as an opportunity to improve his/her lot, or the one that sees capitalism as abhorrent, is the more likely to prosper economically?

This is why the conservative world-view, based upon small government, opportunity and the ability to make your own way will be a very hard sell to those who have a world-view that the system is rigged against them. The chances to recover from this are as you say, based upon some catastrophic change in the world that forces the person to question their foundational beliefs. This may happen, but is not a guarantee that the world-view of the capitalist will be the direction chosen by the person that has their world rocked.

Christianity is one of the few changes that can happen without someone’s world being turned upside down, although often this is the impetus that it takes.

We are so screwed.

schu

36 posted on 11/09/2012 8:29:43 AM PST by schu
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To: Zeneta

#19 is very astute. We have to deal with people where they are. And yes, most people lash out when challenged. They don’t understand that they should be seeking the truth, rather than getting their way. This problem is common with leftists.


40 posted on 11/09/2012 9:10:29 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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