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What are our options?
Self | 08 November 2012 | Self

Posted on 11/08/2012 7:11:59 AM PST by ShadowAce

OK, so Obama was re-elected on Tuesday. What are our options?

  1. Bend over and just take it. We wait for four years and try to elect someone who is closer to us in political outlook and perspective. We pay our taxes, call in to conservative talk radio shows, get our grievances off our collective chest. We suck it up and work from the inside to change the system.

    However, it took the liberals 80 years of promising free stuff to lazy people in order to make it happen. As conservatives, we will not promise them free stuff. We merely promise them a chance to work hard for a possibility of getting ahead. That is not a recipe for garnering votes from at least half of the people. We will never re-gain our country from within. Ever.

  2. Go with the the flow. This option is different, and may not sit well with most people. Vote for the worst leaders we can--Bernie Sanders, Sheila Jackson-Lee, Maxine Waters, Biden, Reid, Pelosi. Support them in everything they do. Drive this country into the ground as fast as we can. When we've totally destroyed what's left of this wonderful place, we can begin the re-building process--hopefully with more support than we have now.

  3. Fire our employees and become one of the takers. “Show them they can't take from us.” Go Galt. Shrug. Whatever you want to call it. Get off the grid and starve the beast. This option only lasts as long as the government is willing to tolerate you. Once enough people are doing this, they will decide to gather you back in to the fold or kill you. That is a real option. It may work for you, but it will not change this country.

  4. Secede. Our country is gone. This is the most difficult—both physically and emotionally. Physically because, as we all know, The Federal government will not take secession lying down. They will come after those who attempt to leave and it won't be pretty. For those who believe that your fellow citizens won't fire on you, think again. People under authority, and people under orders do things they strongly disagree with merely because someone in authority has told them to do it. It has been proven multiple times in the lab and in the field. It will also be difficult emotionally. This is our country. We would be destroying something wonderful that was founded over 200 years ago. Unfortunately, that country no longer exists, and hasn't for about 80 years or more—since the New Deal was legislated into law. The big decision each one of us has to make is--”Am I willing to sacrifice everything I have and hold dear for a non-guaranteed attempt to bring our country back?” That sacrifice will come—it's not just a possibility.

So. Those are the options as I currently see them to change our country. I am not forgetting prayer. This is something we all must do regardless of the choice(s) we make above. Option 1 is obviously the easiest. We don't have to change our lives, or actually do anything different. Just complain and bend over as they continue to come at us. Option 3 is the most difficult. I am not charismatic. I could not persuade people to join me or any cause I support. It must be started and led by people much better at that than I am.


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To: ShadowAce

The libs arrived where they are by fighting a long war (over 100 years). I suggest that we begin a long war to take the country back for our children and grandchildren, even though we may not see the benefits. Some things we can do:

1. Use our laws against the libs - minimize your taxes legally, unleash a firestorm of lawsuits against libs (make them spend money to defend), avoid unnecessary compliance with onerous laws and regulations.
2. Kill liberal political careers at the local level - there is no such thing as a good local Democrat politician. Today’s Democrat school board member is a future Nancy Pelosi.
3. Dig into educational institutions, culture and the arts, local and state political and government organizations.
4. Never, never, never give up.
5. Take out Dem’s everywhere we can, replace them with conservatives.
6. Ridicule liberals and liberalism at every opportunity. Make it un-cool to be liberal in your corner of the world.
7. Pray without ceasing.


41 posted on 11/08/2012 7:51:56 AM PST by TheConservativeBanker
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To: bmwcyle
Today I have decided to fight. I am beginning by firing my broker, draftsman, gardener, and housekeeper. I started with nothing, and I can do it all myself again. Next time I contract for services, it will be with people who did note vote for Obama and socialism to “get revenge” against me. I thought they were my friends and business associates. I just got educated.

And, BTW, no more black, brown, or gay people in my life. Apparently our friendship only went one way; they, according to their leader, want revenge, so I can no longer entrust anything of mine to them.

They sold my country for a cellphone and the chance to get even with me. For what? Employing them? Pitiful.

42 posted on 11/08/2012 7:52:51 AM PST by July4 (Remember the price paid for your freedom.)
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To: ShadowAce

Bullcrap. You’re running on emotion fueled garbage because you want things to be as you want them. Sometimes you don’t get what you want when you want.

Let me lay it out for you sparky - Obama got lucky. They threw crap at the wall to see what stuck. And they cheated, and they barely won. There was no genius or grand strategy. People were stupid enough to buy it.

We owned 2010, we can own 2014. That reality flies in the face of your hysteria. Give up on the third party crap, I don’t know what the effing obsession you libertarians have with that, but you’ve had a third party for years and you can’t get over 5%. You think if you take control you’re gonna win elections, and frankly it isn’t going to happen.


43 posted on 11/08/2012 7:53:55 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! [You can vote Democrat when you're dead]...)
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To: ShadowAce

I’m giving up on politics for a while. When the moochers, takers and lazy who want a free ride on someone else’s dime can out vote we honest American citizens, we are sunk.

It will take national economic collapse due to over spending, run away benefits and individual irresponsibility to wake up our masses. Even then we are likely to get tyranny and dictatorship, instead of a constitutional republic which defers to God’s kind rules.

Meanwhile, try to live out of the government’s evil eye, take care of yourself and those you love by staying healthy by good practices and do honest work to put bread on your table. Get a marketable skill such as plumbing, electrician, engine repair, construction, farming, or health aide rather than office work. Do side jobs for cash or barter so government can’t rob you.


44 posted on 11/08/2012 7:57:33 AM PST by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: CCGuy
Then in April file an extension.

They still want your money by April 15. I think the extension just means you can delay sending in the paperwork.
45 posted on 11/08/2012 7:58:40 AM PST by crosshairs (America: Once the land of the free. Still the home of the brave.)
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To: Hojczyk
Spend as little as possible and save for the collapse....and make sure you have enough cash at home to last a month or two..lots of red beans and rice..

Money will only be useful for fire starter.
46 posted on 11/08/2012 8:00:26 AM PST by crosshairs (America: Once the land of the free. Still the home of the brave.)
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To: ShadowAce

I just posted this on another thread:

There is the theory that you give him whatever he wants. And you make a HUGE deal of out it, with the caveat that he owns it.

What will that do? It will ruin the market and the economy in about six months. It will not destroy the country.

Within a short time, the outcry will come and the democrats will never win another election.

The alternative is to fight tooth and nail, and in the end the result will be the same for the economy—but the folks who are “resisting” will be blamed.

Sometimes in hand to hand, you allow the opponents momentum to carry them through to the ground. And then you take the base of your palm and shove your opponents nose through his brain.

I know this is hard to imagine...but the option to “do nothing” is ALWAYS one you should consider.


To add to this theory/option: The basis of this is that we know doing this would result in significant danger to the economy. But it would also show these folks for what they are.

I am not ADVOCATING this beyond tossing it out for discussion. I do not think many around here would see the logic in it, and it would be distasteful. But we obviously haven’t crashed hard enough yet to show how stupid Obama’s ideas are. Perhaps turning the people against the government in massive ways is the best way to win.


47 posted on 11/08/2012 8:00:33 AM PST by Vermont Lt (The dude abides.)
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To: BitWielder1
Take back the republican party.

Let's see....we've been saying that for how long, now?

Expose RINO's, media bias, corruption and bias in education??

Impossible with a compliant GOPe and MSM.

FoxNews/Bretibart/Blaze, etc ALL have tried exposing Benghazigate and ALL of the lies/corruption of this regime and it doesn't seem to be having an effect on elections.

48 posted on 11/08/2012 8:01:47 AM PST by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: ShadowAce
Get as far away from big cities as you can.

Pay as few taxes as you can get away with. Drive to a lower tax state a few times a year and stock up. Buy used when you can.

Starve the beast and be prepared to protect what you have when the coming collapse hits.

49 posted on 11/08/2012 8:02:46 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: ShadowAce

This country, as it was founded, has been gone for a long time. We’re whistling past the graveyard trying to ‘save’ something that has been effectively dead for years already.

What to do now? Live your life. That’s what I’m doing. I know this country is going in the crapper, but if you think Mitt Romney was the answer to stopping that, you need to start accepting reality and admit that he wasn’t going to really make the fundamental changes that are necessary.

At the beginning of this year, I was in a very dark place in my personal life. The relationship with my wife of many years crumbled and even though I tried as hard as I could to repair it, it wasn’t fixable. I was alone, miserable, clinging to the past, and feeling like things were hopeless.

Then, I met someone who turned all of that around and has given me everything I ever wanted and shown me that things are possible that I had never even considered. If I hadn’t gone to that dark place and clawed my way out, I never would be where I am now, which is a place where I am truly happy for the first time in way too long to admit.

I’m too damn happy in my little world to let the big world that I can’t control dictate how I feel. I’m a self-made business owner raising a child in a world where the US is effectively dead, so there are a lot of worries. We’re planning to bring another child into this messed up world in the very near future and I’d be lying if I said I didn’t have worries about that. But I’m not going to let Obama or RINOs or anyone else stop me from doing what is right for me and my family and I’m not going to let anyone, especially some politician I’ve never met, dictate whether I’m happy or not.

I’m happy and I’m going to stay that way. Anyone who tries to get in the way of that is going to find out exactly how serious I am about staying that way.


51 posted on 11/08/2012 8:03:46 AM PST by perfect_rovian_storm
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To: Grampa Dave

Stop buying/subscribing to newspapers, magazines etc. that are blatantly liberal. Stop online subscriptions.


52 posted on 11/08/2012 8:05:23 AM PST by 3catsanadog (No more blaming Bush, Obama-now you inherited the mess you made.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Someone should reprint this and send it to everyone on FR.

Good for you. There is a lot more to life than this election. Keep your head up. Storms come and go. Your post is an good example of how we need to keep moving and shake off the bad times.


53 posted on 11/08/2012 8:05:42 AM PST by Vermont Lt (The dude abides.)
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To: ShadowAce

Move to a red state to increase their electoral votes. Not an overnight fix=)

Basically I think we need to let the Kenyan lead America over the cliff. We already warned them of the consequences.

The communist left means to eliminate us. If it comes to an absolute like the confiscation of guns, we have to be prepared to fight and die.


54 posted on 11/08/2012 8:10:00 AM PST by y6162
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To: swamprebel

The USA is over—watch as the transformed nation takes people to a place they do not want to go. Obama and his crew will be drunk on power and force change in the direction that will help to bankrupt things. Wait til Obamacare is placed into effect fully. Wait for the inflation that’s coming. Wait til the freebies stop coming. Why should Obama care now? watch as he keeps running for election—this time for Michelle to take the White House. Civil War will come but it will be forced upon the states. Wait as Churches are closed when they refuse to perform same sex unions, watch as the Progressives overstep their bounds. Best thing—step back and let them hang themselves, at least until the fighting starts (if it does). I believe other events will take over! More 9-11s, More economic problems, even World War—I see these things as possible.


55 posted on 11/08/2012 8:10:14 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: ShadowAce

What to do now?

Weep for our children.

It may take 100 years for the American Communist State to implode, but it will just as the Russian Soviet State did. Meanwhile our children and grandchildren will live in a totalitarian slave state.

I am old and will not live to see much of what is to come, but I cannot see what can realistically be done to avert it.

Take care of your families as best you can and try to implant in them the memory of Free America and the hope for its return. Instill in them a love for God and family.

Resist.


56 posted on 11/08/2012 8:11:31 AM PST by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: ShadowAce
or ...

5. Give up politics as an important principle of my life, accept the fact that the left has cemented its power base and the numbers will be with them until the country collapses under the weight of its own debt.

In this scenario, I will spend my time pursuing things with eternal consequences: study of the scriptures, increased focus on personal holiness and evangelism, discipleship of my children, investing in the lives of people for the kingdom.

Anything else, at this point, seems like a wasteful use of time.

57 posted on 11/08/2012 8:13:45 AM PST by dartuser ("If you are ... what you were ... then you're not.")
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To: TheConservativeBanker

Love your list.
I’d add starve the beast(s) and pray that He allow us the grace and strength to provide for our family through these difficult times and at all times.

We’ve stopped using companies or contractors that use illegal immigrants. We are starting the process of building a new home and we’ve put language in the contract that forbids subcontracting with companies that use illegal immigrants and all workers on site need to be able to prove their immigration status at any time. I really really wanted to add language to exclude subcontractors that were non-union, but too hard to find qualified people for some of the trades.

We stopped donating money to charities which receive government funding/grants. Salvation Army was the exception but we no longer give cash, just household items.

I’ve actually considered changing my affiliation status from unaffiliated to Democrat just so my chances of becoming an election judge would increase.

These are just a couple examples of what we’ve decided to do. I’ve decided I need to stop talking (or typing) and just actually do. It may or may not make a difference on the larger scale, but I’ll be making a difference in my home for my children and hopefully small community where I reside.


58 posted on 11/08/2012 8:15:40 AM PST by ebersole
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To: July4; Impy; NFHale; DarthVader

“And, BTW, no more black, brown, or gay people in my life.”

Amen to that! And don’t forget to extend that to entertainment (TV, movies, sports) as well.

Know your enemy in all it’s forms.


59 posted on 11/08/2012 8:19:34 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (The autopsy will show that this nation committed suicide.)
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To: ShadowAce
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60 posted on 11/08/2012 8:23:10 AM PST by baddog 219
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