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I would say that de Tocqueville pretty much nailed it. The Republic is lost.
1 posted on 11/07/2012 11:08:51 AM PST by RayBob
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since history is based upon human nature, and human nature doesn’t change, you can predict the end.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 11:12:47 AM PST by WILLIALAL
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4 posted on 11/07/2012 11:15:25 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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"...democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship..."

So, if this destiny cannot be avoided, perhaps we should be positioning ourselves to be the dictator. Just a thought.
5 posted on 11/07/2012 11:16:08 AM PST by frankenMonkey
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It’s a great quote—scary and prescient. There is some disagreement as to its author, however.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 11:17:55 AM PST by GSWarrior
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When Clinton was elected, I expected to see a military coup in Washington. It did not happen.

I will be expecting to see one anytime now.

Duck an cover, lock and load.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 11:24:40 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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Possibly true, but not said, at least in these words, by Tocqueville.

I’d really love for somebody to compile a list of “the world’s great civilizations,” with their starting and ending dates showing an average of 200 years.

The Chinese civilization is arguably at present around 3000 years old, the Japanese around 1500.

Rome lasted somewhere between 800 and 2000 years, depending on how you figure it.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 11:27:51 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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yep, looks to be that way. It was wonderful while it lasted. Now me and my kids and my grandkids are in for that last part (dictatorship) and I’ll give you 3 guesses who the dictator is gonna be.

Don’t worry about any more elections—he’ll draft executive orders to cancel them, and Congress won’t do anything about it. Boehner will cry and cry and some of the outspoken ones in the Congress will wail against the administration, but the dems/liberals/communists in the government will watch from the sidelines. And of course, the SC justices will be bought and paid for with 30 pieces of silver, so don’t look to them for rescue either. The folks who voted for him will want him to rule them forever cuz they worship him and faint at his feet.

We are done. Best to get to know Jesus really fast and be ready for His return. That’s the last real great hope this world has.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 11:28:45 AM PST by sassy steel magnolia
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That is exactly what is going on here. We probably reached the tipping point some time ago, but last night was proof we’ve passed it. Like an economist can’t say for sure if a recession is on/off for months after the actual date, we had to be past it to see it.

Quite a shame, really. I have no idea where else to go now that it’s a sure thing this country is going to fail, and there’s nothing any of us can do to stop it.


12 posted on 11/07/2012 11:34:29 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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de Tocqueville was merely reflecting on history than any educated man of his time understood. When Ben Franklin was asked about the new constitution he quipped “We have given you a republic, if you can keep it.” The Founders and the men who wrote the constitution fully understood history and the inherent danger of a democracy. They knew very well what happened to Athens, Rome, Florence, Hanover and Venice. They tried to establish a Republic with checks, balances and insulate government policy from whims and passions. Well it seems after 225 years human nature has caught up with this grand noble experiment. Obama is simply a catastrophic manifestation of American decline. Things will get very ugly.


15 posted on 11/07/2012 11:42:23 AM PST by allendale
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When society departs from its Judeo-Christian principles, all is lost. OTHER moral bases are dismal failures of decline in human rights and freedoms ... you have only to look around you.

WE have traditionally been a nation of "givers" but infiltration of undesireable mores' have evidently changed that to lazy "takers."

PS: For you TAKERS: Your "free stuff" comes with an eternal price tag... your soul!!

Proverbs 6:6-11 reads
"Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise:
Which having no guide, overseer, or ruler,
Provideth her meat in the summer, and gathereth her food in the harvest.
How long wilt thou sleep, O sluggard? when wilt thou arise out of thy sleep?
Yet a little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to sleep:
So shall thy poverty come as one that travelleth, and thy want as an armed man."
17 posted on 11/07/2012 11:47:57 AM PST by wubjo (Integrity shall guide the upright; the perverseness of the transgressors shall destroy them Pr. 11:3)
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Yes, I agree with this. It’s part of why I correctly predicted Obama would win this election. We have crossed the tipping point and are on the decline. The powers that be will probably kick the can for another few years, but make no mistake it - there is likely no turning back till the economy completely implodes. It is near impossible to wean a society from socialism that has voluntarily chosen it. Things literally need to collapse before it is reversed.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 11:48:26 AM PST by Longbow1969
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I believe he also said, "When Americans cease to be good, America will cease to be great."

Most Americans today don't even seem to understand what virtue is, much less endeavor to be virtuous.

Of course, our culture seems to be directed towards females these days. I guess we are learning what living in a matriarchal society is like.

19 posted on 11/07/2012 11:48:42 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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I believe he also said, "When Americans cease to be good, America will cease to be great."

Most Americans today don't even seem to understand what virtue is, much less endeavor to be virtuous.

Of course, our culture seems to be directed towards females these days. I guess we are learning what living in a matriarchal society is like.

24 posted on 11/07/2012 11:57:19 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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I believe that quote is from Alexander Fraser Tyler not deToqueville

http://famousquotessite.com/famous-quotes-6934-alexander-fraser-tyler-cycle-of-democracy-1770.html


26 posted on 11/07/2012 12:09:10 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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H. L. Mencken was also right when he said "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

The next 10 to 12 months should prove revelatory.

29 posted on 11/07/2012 12:30:11 PM PST by atomic_dog
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I also feel we have finally made a majority turn per John Adams' quote:

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

32 posted on 11/07/2012 12:49:45 PM PST by SparkyBass
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The Republic is lost.

Nah. Ours has a built in 'reboot' option... Tho I would agree in as far as the time for a reboot is drawing perilously near.

33 posted on 11/07/2012 12:53:42 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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Quite true. We are in trouble when a huge proportion of the voters has no (in the words of Obama) “skin in the game.=”. Another writer, Theodore Dalrymple, wrote that a society that jettisons morality will always require a big government to rescue it from the consequences of its immorality. We are seeing that.

I am trying to be positive but at the moment I keep seeing in my mind a video I saw during the Cash for Clunkers program. It showed the death of a late-model luxury car deliberately sabotaged, valiantly struggling to keep running until it finally seizes up. I really hope that isn’t a harbinger of things to come for the nation.


35 posted on 11/07/2012 1:01:32 PM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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Most democrat voters have never heard of de Tocqueville, and democratic party leaders want to keep it that way, and so does the liberal press, and so do teachers and professors.

To have an electorate which is completely informed, would mean the end of the democratic party.


38 posted on 11/07/2012 1:42:32 PM PST by adorno
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The USA 1776 to 2012....RIP!!


41 posted on 11/07/2012 2:29:04 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (Conservatives needs to listen to the people...Social issues lost votes for the GOP)
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