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The Tea Party Got It Right, Mitt Got It Wrong
FrontPage Magazine ^ | November 7, 2012 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 11/07/2012 5:32:07 AM PST by SJackson

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To: unlearner; Will88

Exactly right. I know dozens, maybe hundreds of women who voted for Romney. I know very few who voted for 0bama. That’s because I don’t know a lot of welfare mothers.


221 posted on 11/07/2012 4:34:56 PM PST by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: palmer

The vote didn’t go wrong. The COUNT (or discarding of Romney votes) went wrong. As for electronic voting machines, they can be hacked and altered and probably were.


222 posted on 11/07/2012 4:36:41 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: factmart
Allen West lost too. He was not conservative enough! He was a Rino Like Romney, You dummies just don't get it, Conservatism lost big, Look at all the Senators that lost. If Romney ran as a real Rino, he would have won. But his hard stand on immigrates, planned parenthood lost him the election.

West is as conservative as they get. Romney is a RINO but ran as a conservative. Idealogy alone doesn't win or lose elections. It is important but just one dimension.

Image and persuasiveness win elections. Romney's image lost the election. He could have run as whatever and it simply would not have mattered. We need a conservative that can effectively persuade the masses like Reagan could AND is young and hip and doesn't look like a fuddy-duddy with a cadillac in the garage.

223 posted on 11/07/2012 4:38:04 PM PST by plain talk
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To: greeneyes
No one explained that the Buffet Rule would not have caused Buffet to pay more taxes: Buffet keeps his individual salary at $100,000 and usually less than $75,000 for director fees.(less than $200,000).

Sure, he's not an idiot, though I presume on Medicare, he doesn't want to pay the taxes to support it. Though I disagree politically, I wish Jobs had lived a long life, he was a asset to the nation (ours and China), but his salary was $1. He paid 12.5 cents for medicare, Apple matched it. For all his whining about taxes, perhaps Warren would like to pay capital gains taxed on his deductabile donations to his foundation. Don't know the numbers, but simplisticly if Warren donates $1 million, and deducts $1 million, which cost him $1,000, why not pay on the capital gains? Liberals know not just which side their bread is buttered on, but how to butter it.

224 posted on 11/07/2012 4:45:08 PM PST by SJackson (none of this suggests there are hostile feelings for the US in Egypt, Victoria Nuland, State Dept)
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To: dowcaet

I doubt it because many women especially needed to see fire and instead got mister nice guy with Romney.


225 posted on 11/07/2012 4:47:46 PM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: dowcaet

I doubt it because many women especially needed to see fire and instead got mister nice guy with Romney.


226 posted on 11/07/2012 4:48:10 PM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: DBeers
This election was won though logistics NOT message.

IMO there were some message issues, but as I noted Romney got 2.3 million fewer votes than McCain, not as severe a drop as Obama. But Tea Party rallies with buses standing by to take folk for early voting, I guess that's logistics. Effective, maybe, maybe those folk voted anyway. But if the McCain voters had all showed up it would have been close, include non-McCain Tea Partiers, a win.

227 posted on 11/07/2012 4:53:39 PM PST by SJackson (none of this suggests there are hostile feelings for the US in Egypt, Victoria Nuland, State Dept)
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To: SJackson
Of course he's not an idiot. He also revealed in the Brokaw interview that he believes in a consumption tax.

His concept was that all your money went into an investment account, and would only be taxed when you wrote a check to spend it. LOL just what you would expect from the head of an investment company.

But when Pubbies go on the news programs, they don't reveal this info. They just say well we should not tax the job producers, and people are skeptical of that.

228 posted on 11/07/2012 5:01:07 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Heff
we have 60 million Americans that are settling for averageness and lower expectations... that its ok if America is no longer the greatest nation, the greatest military, the greatest ideals

I'm not sure you're correct about 60 million, if you are, you're correct in both parts. Honest discussion is difficult, at least in the public sphere. I don't encouter that other than occasionally on a personal basis. The public sphere, millions, being the more significant. As to the 12 million fewer voters, I've asked a few times on the thread about the 2.3 million McCain voters absent. Less concerned about the missing Obama voters.

229 posted on 11/07/2012 5:01:39 PM PST by SJackson (none of this suggests there are hostile feelings for the US in Egypt, Victoria Nuland, State Dept)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Nice try. The voting machines in Virginia worked just fine. There was high turnout overall with 100% of the black vote and much of the suburban Xanax vote for Obama. In my rural area it was about 60-40 Romney with a large portion of the 40 being either liberal or morons or black.


230 posted on 11/07/2012 5:04:23 PM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: Real Cynic No More

I first voted in 1972 for a guy who had already been my CIC. Go figure. I agree with all your points, 1 to 6, but not your contention that the internet was a terrible communication media. Unless your meaning was the Romney campaigns performance in that media, in which case you’re correct. In retrospect Romney needed to confront the distortions. I’m not sure his biggest mistake wasn’t failure to advocate his positions in a compact, easily communicated fashion. I’ve read his position papers, but the appeal of 9-9-9 sticks in my mind. Not the postition, it’s conveyance. Candidates have to successfully convey their positions in the context of the media/channels available to them.


231 posted on 11/07/2012 5:13:07 PM PST by SJackson (none of this suggests there are hostile feelings for the US in Egypt, Victoria Nuland, State Dept)
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To: SJackson
I've asked a few times on the thread about the 2.3 million McCain voters absent. Less concerned about the missing Obama voters.

I voted 3rd Party for President; the anointing of Romney by the GOP, from long before the primaries, indicated to me that they were all about talk and not about action. Consider Romney's past: he's really liberal -- how can you get socialism out of the office by electing a socialist?

Obviously the GOP wasn't interested in my vote. Indeed, they weren't interested in any conservative or constitutionalist's vote.

232 posted on 11/07/2012 5:13:38 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Publius

Perhaps just me, but the Tea Party is more of a mindset that a brand. Could have been the latter had the GOP embraced the bulk of it, but they know better. I hope you’re wrong about freeloaders vs liberty, I think lots, probably most, of those “freeloaders” would rather earn their own way. I hope I’m right.


233 posted on 11/07/2012 5:18:28 PM PST by SJackson (none of this suggests there are hostile feelings for the US in Egypt, Victoria Nuland, State Dept)
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To: SJackson

The Tea Party thing was overblown, they took credit for 2010, when in fact it was the normal mid-term result for the President’s Party, I assure you we will see the exact same thing in 2014, Tea Party or no Tea Party.


234 posted on 11/07/2012 5:21:37 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: SJackson

Retire the GOP and have the Tea Party replace it.


235 posted on 11/07/2012 5:22:10 PM PST by SarahPalinForPresident2012 (Time to Reload)
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To: GOPJ

Passion was missing, as was anger on Romney’s side.


236 posted on 11/07/2012 5:25:11 PM PST by SJackson (none of this suggests there are hostile feelings for the US in Egypt, Victoria Nuland, State Dept)
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To: Teacher317
He lost because he received less votes than Obama and McCain. Ouch. Excellent point, and needs to be repeated. The GOP Moderate Wing has just been shown that they do NOT motivate the base or the Tea Party wing, even when they nominate a decent VP.

The ones who stayed home, I equate the "base" and the "Tea Party" with the more informed, should be hit in the head with a sledgehammer for staying home.

237 posted on 11/07/2012 5:27:43 PM PST by SJackson (none of this suggests there are hostile feelings for the US in Egypt, Victoria Nuland, State Dept)
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To: factmart
Conservatism lost big

Non-sense! Allen West was a victim of redistricting.

"After two years of opposing tax increases, fighting to control spending and investigating waste, corruption and incompetence, House Republicans were rewarded with re-election. That is a real achievement."

This is a loss for RINOs


238 posted on 11/07/2012 5:31:51 PM PST by tsowellfan
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To: SJackson

“And not only were they rewarded for that by winning Congress,
but they also went on to win the White House.”

Conveniently forgetting the economic collapse on Dumbo Dubya’s watch and all the fun filled TARP spending which came soon after. Keep avoiding the elephant in the room - keep losing elections.


239 posted on 11/07/2012 5:32:33 PM PST by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: dfwgator
The Tea Party thing was overblown, they took credit for 2010, when in fact it was the normal mid-term result for the President’s Party

No, it was far from normal, it was a once, maybe twice a century turnover. The organized party which would most benefit, simply didn't embrace the movement. Which dissolved, by name, not necessarily emotion. I doubt you'll see a big a swing in 2014, though I don't want to underestimate Obama's ability to act contrary to the interests of most Americans.

240 posted on 11/07/2012 5:38:32 PM PST by SJackson (none of this suggests there are hostile feelings for the US in Egypt, Victoria Nuland, State Dept)
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