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To: stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Impy; Gilbo_3; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
RE :”” I’m still not convinced he would have made a better vice-president than Ryan.”
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A black can attack a black in public, and the MSM couldn’t/wouldn’t be able to pull the race card.”

Exactly. I didn't mean a better VP. I mean a better VP candidate against O to take the fight to him. Ryan said little as candidate. He offered nothing to the campaign and he sounded kind of wimpy.

I mean white males R+R with these voter demographics against Obama who tells them he cares and they don't? It was really stupid and unimaginative. Allen West could say "Look at my skin. It is real black and my great grand parents were slaves in American and I can tell you that Democrats offer you another form of slavery " . White males R+R couldn't say that.

But I don't blame Ryan for this . Romney was a terrible candidate and many here who said he was winning the past two months were just a year ago saying he couldn't beat O.

Romney wanted Ryan because he was easy to control and Ryan wouldn't say much. Ryan follows orders.

215 posted on 11/07/2012 1:41:40 PM PST by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: sickoflibs
I’m still not convinced he would have made a better vice-president than Ryan.

A black can attack a black in public, and the MSM couldn’t/wouldn’t be able to pull the race card.

Exactly. I didn't mean a better VP. I mean a better VP candidate against O to take the fight to him. Ryan said little as candidate. He offered nothing to the campaign and he sounded kind of wimpy.

I think it's reasonable to post the periferal comments the above comment was clipped from.  It wasn't my only emphasis on the subject.

I've never bought into the idea that the Republican party is a party for rich white guys.  Conservative policies help the non-rich white guys better than the Leftist policies do.  For instance, were blacks better off yesterday than they were four years ago?  Unemployment figures reveal they weren't.  Hispanics had lost lots of jobs too.  This economy sucks for everyone, particularly for those at the bottom.  I have no doubt that Allan West is a good guy.  I'm still not convinced he would have made a better vice-president than Ryan.  I'm not convinced he would have pulled in more votes from the black community.  Why would they forsake a perceived black president, for a black vice-president?

I'm not convinced that Allen West would have brought in a single black vote for Romney.  Blacks predisposed to vote for Romney, did so.  Blacks predisposed to like Obama weren't going to be moved off that by a black Republican vice-presidential candidate.  By a large margin, the economy was the number one issue yesterday.  The Romney/Ryan ticket addressed that better than any other ticket could have.  Romney had a history in economics.  Ryan had a history in presenting plans to get our budget back on track  In the end, the voting populace didn't buy it.  Alan West trying to sell that, seems rather comical to me.  And what other topic was he going to present, that the facts floating around the current media weren't accessable already?

Just because a guy agrees with us, it doesn't mean they are qualified to be vice-president, or in short order the president.

I mean white males R+R with these voter demographics against Obama who tells them he cares and they don't? It was really stupid and unimaginative. Allen West could say "Look at my skin. It is real black and my great grand parents were slaves in American and I can tell you that Democrats offer you another form of slavery ". White males R+R couldn't say that.

You know, you're right.  "I can tell you that Democrats offer you another form of slavery", would definitely have won the day.  I can see millions of blacks peeling awI ay on that message.  /s  No, I'm not buying that and I doubt you really do either.  Who were blacks going to believe, a "rock star" black president, or an unkown black guy that was telling them something they couldn't (by choice) hear?  Uncle Tom doesn't sell to blacks.  That's exactly what blacks would have seen.

But I don't blame Ryan for this.  Good

Romney was a terrible candidate and many here who said he was winning the past two months were just a year ago saying he couldn't beat O.

I was one of those people.  In fact I was probably still saying something to that effect as late as March/April this year, just over six months ago.  That doesn't mean that I couldn't observe his campaign, take notice of his positive message, and also the fervor of his supporters.  The guy was on fire the last few weeks of the election cycle.

Romney wanted Ryan because he was easy to control and Ryan wouldn't say much. Ryan follows orders.

I think that's a disservice to Romney and Ryan.  Romney's message was centered around a fiscal conservative core.  Ryan was a natural draw related to that policy.  Ryan was easy to control?  He woudln't say much?  He would follow orders?

I disagree with Romney on a number of issues.  This doesn't even come close to being one of them.  Once the nominee was chosen, the vice-presidential selectee isn't going to challenge him on policy issues.
  To do so would be political suicide.  You work as a team to get the ticket elected.  The time to challenge Romney policy had expired.  When Ryan agreed to the ticket, that was water under the bridge.   

218 posted on 11/07/2012 2:25:38 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama 07/12/2013: Things are tough, but the prior administration handed me a terrible situation.)
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