Agonizing Reappraisal-Done Right!

vanity | November 7, 2012 | Nathan Bedford

[nathanbedford]

Alan,

The Democrats run a racist campaign, trample on the Constitution to pander to Hispanic votes, and blatantly play the race card to stimulate the African-American base in favor of a black candidate and you insinuate that I am the racist for criticizing them for it.

Shame on you.

I point out to you that in the midst of broadcasting the election returns last night, Bob Beckel, a Democrat spokesperson and former campaign manager for Democrat Presidential Candidate could say to the American people on Fox News that the Republicans were getting 73% of the white vote but they needed at least 74% or 75% to win. This is how fine the Democrats calculate their racism. It is not I who originated the idea that we are running out of white people, it is the Democrats and their spokespeople who appear on national television who maintain that idea.

The reference to running out of white people means that we have to recalculate our campaign so that we garner votes from people of color. How the hell you can turn that into a racist remark is quite beyond reason. In answer to your question, skin color does not have anything to do with conservatism, I never said it did but it has plenty to do with winning elections and I did not have anything to do with that reality, I did not create it but neither will I be victimized by it if I can help it. I will speak out against it and every chance the right of free expression gives me.

Nor will I be victimized by you playing the race card at me anymore than I consent to be victimized by Democrats playing the race card. I stand by my "about page" and the explanation for the use of the name and avatar expressed there. I regard your definition of my "true character" to be gratuitous and outrageous.

Alan Greenspam? That does "not fly with me" I know your "true character" is that of an anti-Semite. How much more outrageous than your statement is mine?

I would prefer to leave this on a better note so I thank you for the compliments contained in your reply.

[nathanbedford]

Thanks for the graph, it is as you say, instructive. I would like to know more about the internals since these exit polls can be notoriously inaccurate. Offhand, they look to reasonably reflect the voting patterns as they occurred.

I agree with your comments about the selection of Ryan. As I said in my vanity I think it was the physical embodiment of the decision to go strictly on economics in the campaign. I believe that decision left the Romney campaign vulnerable to distractions let loose by Obama which were magnified by the media. In effect, Obama was thus able to control the message. Romney was always on the defensive. The selection of Rubio probably would have broken the thing loose and Rubio might have been a very effective counterpuncher which is the traditional role of the vice presidential candidate. In the event, Ryan, to a lesser degree than Sarah Palin, was somewhat restricted in his freedom of criticism of Obama.

Interesting comments concerning Asian-Americans.

[AlanGreenSpam]

——”The reference to running out of white people means that we have to recalculate our campaign so that we garner votes from people of color. “

Well then you most certainly did NOT make that clear at all in your writing. You are a good writer, but even good writers need editorial review.

I provided proper editorial review for you (btw, I write for a living) and if you think your prose actually made a connection between your “running out of white people” comment and the notion that we need to garner votes from people of color, I certainly don’t see it. Again, I suggest you rewrite that paragraph to be more clear.

Perhaps you aren’t a white supremacist, but no shame on me here, nor am I playing the race card on ya, dude. Just trying to help you out.

—”Alan Greenspam? That does “not fly with me” I know your “true character” is that of an anti-Semite. How much more outrageous than your statement is mine?”

Weak. Nice try.

Ending on a good note: Your article was superb on all other counts. I forwarded it to other conservative friends, each of which were wondering what was with that last paragraph.

[Revolting cat!]

All you predictions are coming true. Predictably so. Yet, you are correct, where is the data? Is there one answer. I ask? I say that greed, class resentment and racial guilt (among whites) won, but what do I know. Would any of the Obama voters admit to these sins? The low turnout of registered Republicans is a puzzle. Are the currently employed comfortable and lazy? Are the unemployed afraid to lose their benefits? Perhaps we ought to look elsewhere for answers, places like Argentina which voted itself from the 5th (?) economic powerhouse in the world into a permanent Third World status.

[XHogPilot]

bump

[nathanbedford]

I think we have arrived at a good place to leave it.

By the way, I admire anybody who can write for a living.

[whd23]

Election Day on April 15 would work magic....

A few decades ago, maybe. But now?

There's the "47%" to whom 15-APR is just another day. And of that crowd, you've got the EITC group to whom 15-APR is a windfall-day as they get their check from uncle sugar.

[DBeers]

Something I read

"One thing that seems quite evident that not many if any are considering; the right maintained control of the House of Representatives where every seat was up for the consideration of voters.

IF like the electoral college applies to the States it as well applied to Congressional districts (as it does in Nebraska for example) THEN Obama would have lost. Unlike Senators & The President, Representatives are not elected based upon a statewide popular vote.

In summary, the collective regionally concentrated mobs elected Obama. It was the mob in key areas in key states that was mobilized.

The Right focused upon message which was often filtered by the leftist media.

The Left focused upon the logistics of getting voters to the polls in key areas."

[Jim Noble]

I guess with hispanics Americans the key issue is immigration. But with Asian Americans what is it?

You overlook the obvious.

The key issue for the majority is "get whitey". To quote the inimitable Samuel L. Jackson, "wake the f*** up".

[JLS]

Well if it is all about race, then:

1. 72% still beats 28% and the issue is why some whites do not vote on racial lines IF EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING SO.

2. In a two party system, you have to vote for someone. The interest of black, particularly working class blacks, and hispanics who want easier immigration conflict. So the GOP must pick off the groups they can.

[Cyber Liberty]

It’s no longer 47% that are unconvertable. We’ve passed the tipping point of when the majority starts voting itself largesse from the treasury. I don’t see thing getting better before a full-scale economic collapse of the country, probably the rest of the world as well.

[Jim Noble]

the issue is why some whites do not vote on racial lines IF EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING SO

Yes, I used to wonder about that, too.

The best answer is that there is a war between two groups of whites (them and us), and that THEY feel superior to us and entitled to rule over us because of how much they do for minorities (or do to them, it's often the same thing).

In the mental universe of THEM, only whites have moral agency - good or bad, the minorities are just insensate lumps of carbon to be acted upon by virtuous whites or done dirt by evil whites (a/k/a us).

The key to understanding is that IT DOES NOT MATTER whether the things that are done for minorities, or to them, by virtuous whites are any good, nor does it matter what the outcome of what WE want is - the results are of no importance. It's the DOING of things that makes this white subculture virtuous.

Our futile protests that the things they are doing (AA, welfare, crime tolerance) are BAD for minorities only lower us further in their eyes, BECAUSE THEY DON'T SEE MINORITIES AS REAL PEOPLE, only as objects of their compassion.

Anyway, that's the answer to your question. No charge.

[rmlew]

Americans, including Conservatives, have long succumbed to Cultural Marxism.

[nathanbedford]

Good, insightful post.

[nathanbedford]

Agreed.

[nathanbedford]

I just watched Rasmussen and Sabatino on Fox who say that the surprise is the accuracy with which Obama anticipated the ceiling on the white vote and the accuracy with which Obama could bring out minorities, single women, and the young.

Now Dick Morris is on saying the same thing. Parenthetically, before we sneer one more time at Dick Morris let us acknowledge that Michael Barone had it just as wrong as Morris. All three on Fox agree that the decisive factor was Obama's astonishing ability to keep these groups turned out at 2008 levels. That suggests a whole new wave in American politics, a reshuffling of alignment.

If these three pundits have it right, here is data that tells us where we went wrong demographically, if that is true, more important, if that is the whole truth, we now know to whom to direct the message and the next question is, what message?

[Revolting cat!]

Here's my take which I just posted on another thread:

Everybody knows and everybody advances and argues their pet theory. All of them perdictable, boring and cliche ridden. Mr Ruddy should have written and published the above last weekend or earlier, then it would have been brilliant.

I’ve my own theory too, which I am not advancing and won’t argue. Everybody knows the low turnout of registered Republicans, with Romney receiving fewer votes than Juan McCain 4 years ago. What ‘appened? First, I think that Peggy Noone, Michael Barone and Dick Morris were in a way correct in their last weekend’s predictions of Romney victory. Correct in that they all expected normal high Republican turnout. What ‘appened then? Oh, did I axe that already? So sorry.

Here’s my novel theory based if not on anything else then on the observations made on this very forum. The stigma of racism. The Republican voters were intimidated by it into refraining from voting. Cannot boo a lousy black stage performer, cannot not laugh at an unfunny black comic, cannot vote against a black man speaking TV anchor English (at least when he’s not addressing homies or senile old black folks who remember being ‘colored’, ‘Negro’, ‘black’, and now must accept being ‘American-African’.) In 2008 these same voters were NOT voting against Obama, since he was McCain’s equal. Now when he’s an incumbent, voting for Romney, would be, do I have to say it? RACIST! and that is a bigger crime than murder as Mark Fuhrman among others surely knows, Shirley! The stigma of “RACISM”, an invention some have argued of Leon Trotsky.

[Bellflower]

We’ve tried creating our our institutions. They get labeled “right wing” or “fringe.” We need to destroy from within.

We need to stop worrying about what they label us and start producing a better product than they, whether it be students, research, entertainment, news or whatever. We are better at everything than they are if we would just stop graveling before them, get our chins up, and do our own thing. They are defeating us because we have let them call all the shots while we try to dance to the bullets they shoot at our feet. They have us faked out.

Not that we shouldn't also destroy them from within as they have systematically been doing to us, with spies and infiltration. We need to view them as dangerous enemies, rather than just another form of politics. This is war, just as sure as if we were firing weapons. They are an enemy bent on destroying our Country and our Constitution and we must come to this understanding and deal with them as such.

[Behind Liberal Lines]

Then you don’t understand marketing. Be it products, services or ideologies, it is neccessary to label things, and have them labeled, in a manner more appealing than the competition.

[riri]

But with Asian Americans what is it

I am married into an Asian family. I did not know this until I spent some time around Asians.They are the single, most racist people I have ever encountered. Bar none. Not just against white people but against each other.

My MIL can identify a person from Laos from a person from Vietnam from a Chinese person in one glance. And she'll have different reasons why they all suck. (she's Thai)

Having said that, if there is an undesirable Asian person --that person is immediately held in higher esteem than any white person.

Blacks? haaaaa --yeah. They hate them too.

This was all very eye opening to me because I always assumd we had so much more in common with American Asians that we had dfferences.