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To: ansel12
That was reporting by the Mormon magazine Sunstone, of a meeting and statements from 2005 that you first denied, and now you seem to still be denying took place, you seem to be denying the entire article, which you have never read, and did not know existed.

Mormon magazine: No, a magazine written by Mormons. There's a difference. It's not a publication by the Church, but about the Church.

Meeting and statements from 2005: According to some unnamed person who claims to know Church authorities. I'm still denying it took place. That's what's known as "unsubstantiated rumor."

You also seem to want to confuse people about the secret ceremonies of the temples, and there are not “millions” of non-temple Mormons “going into temples every day”.

Not trying to confuse anyone about anything. You claimed that "regular Mormons" can't enter the temple. That's a lie.

There are millions of "regular Mormons" who go to the temple frequently. (better word?) There are over 130 temples in operation, worldwide. They are open for public tours prior to dedication. Most are very busy places. They are typically open for at least 12 hours a day, six days a week. Every member is encouraged to go, so it's not exactly an exclusive club inside the Church.

So I guess you win that one, millions of people couldn't all get inside a temple in the same day.

Yes, a Temple recommend is “Premium” membership and is required for instance, to have witnessed Mitt and Ann’s secret marriage ceremony in the temple.

Nope. Not at all. First, Mitt and Ann would have to invite you...

Regular Mormons who live up to some basic standards are qualified. They are interviewed every two years to check on that. If not, then that member can correct the problem and get qualified again. Maybe you consider someone who lives their religion to be a "premium" member. I couldn't say.

...secrecy of what is said in the temples is imperative.

Wrong word. The word is "sacredness". Most people can grasp the difference. What goes on in the Holy Temple is sacred to Mormons. Because it is sacred, it's not open to the public. If you're confused, read the definitions of the two words SECRET and SACRED.

Without the temple recommend, one cannot become a God.

Well, that and a lot more.

All in all, you seem rather frantic to do anything to keep away from the facts.

Really? I guess the reader(s) will have to judge that. I don't feel frantic.

All you do is what every other anti-Mormon does. You use either spooky or mocking words to post half-truths, out of context quotes or purely made-up fantasy about them.

They are so secretive that their official scriptures and teaching curriculum are openly available online!

Hmm. Not a very good way to keep their beliefs secret.

18 posted on 11/01/2012 4:37:20 PM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: TChris

To be Holy enough to earn a Temple ID, one MUST give 10% of their earnings to the cult or they cannot become Gods.

You seem to be denying that a Temple recommend even exists, that the temples are mere Mormon churches, open to all Mormons and even non-Mormons, and that they have no special membership required, nor secrets to keep.

Temple activities are secret, and you know that all Temple mormons are instructed to not reveal the details of what takes place inside, even Ann Romney’s own parents were forbidden to witness their daughter’s Temple ceremony, unless you are claiming that they stayed outside because they rejected their daughter’s “invitation”.

The Prophet speaking of temple secrecy-—”May I speak also of a matter pertinent to temples? I remind you of the absolute obligation to not discuss outside the temple that which occurs within the temple. Sacred matters deserve sacred consideration. We are under obligation, binding and serious, to not use temple language or speak of temple matters outside.”
“Please, brethren, do not discuss outside of the temple that which occurs in the temple. While there, you are at liberty to do so. If you have questions, you may speak with the temple president or one of his counselors. But when you leave the doors of the House of the Lord, be true to a sacred trust to speak not of that which is holy and sanctified.”

Even Mormon writers are writing on how a President Romney can find enough Temple qualified Mormon Secret Service, to escort him into secret events.

You are just making up stuff which is a Mormon (and cult) technique, and I notice that you ignore the most shocking of all, Temple Mormons becoming Gods.

Mitt Romney is in the process of becoming a God in your religion.


19 posted on 11/01/2012 5:08:04 PM PDT by ansel12 (Vote, but don't pretend.)
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To: TChris

You have played some typical mormon dishonesty games of pretending that temples are open to everyone because of things like allowing visitors when a new one is built, and before it becomes official, and of allowing some exceptions such as the young standing in for dead people being baptized.

This is from the official church site.

Being Worthy to Enter the Temple:

“”We are not expected to be perfect to enter the temple. Rather, the purpose of the things we learn and the covenants we make in the temple is to help perfect us. We must, however, be worthy to enter.

A temple recommend signifies that we have been found worthy through an interview with a member of our bishopric or our branch president and also an interview with a member of our stake presidency or mission presidency. Temple recommend interviews are opportunities for us to examine our worthiness. In each of the interviews, our priesthood leaders will ask us about our personal conduct and faith. Our priesthood leaders keep these interviews private and confidential.

If our priesthood leaders find that we are worthy to enter the temple, we will receive a temple recommend. We sign our recommend to confirm our worthiness to enter the temple. Our priesthood leaders also sign our recommend as additional witnesses of our worthiness. This recommend allows us to enter the temple for the next two years, provided we remain worthy.””


21 posted on 11/01/2012 5:21:48 PM PDT by ansel12 (Vote, but don't pretend.)
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