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Clinton killed the Higgs boson search (19 years ago today)
NY Times ^ | Oct. 31, 1993 | NY Times

Posted on 10/31/2012 7:49:42 AM PDT by fishtank

Article at link.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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KEYWORDS: boson; higgs; texas
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http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/31/us/stating-regret-clinton-signs-bill-that-kills-supercollider.html?src=pm
1 posted on 10/31/2012 7:49:43 AM PDT by fishtank
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To: fishtank

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/31/us/stating-regret-clinton-signs-bill-that-kills-supercollider.html?src=pm


2 posted on 10/31/2012 7:53:54 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_Super_Collider


3 posted on 10/31/2012 7:54:19 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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Texas Scientists Regret Loss of Higgs Boson Quest (July 4, 2012
4 posted on 10/31/2012 7:56:14 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

Killing spending that isn’t in the Constitution is a good thing. 90% of our spending needs killing.

Bill Clinton is a self-serving.....fill in the blank, but we should be grateful any time something is cut.


5 posted on 10/31/2012 7:57:36 AM PDT by lurk
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To: fishtank
Well thank you Bill Clinton.

Thank you for killing an $11 Billion welfare project for engineers and cement and construction contractors. No doubt the final tab would have been $40 Billion.

President Clinton did the right thing in this case.

6 posted on 10/31/2012 8:00:54 AM PDT by The Free Engineer
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To: fishtank
Should have outsourced the Collider eith these folks:


7 posted on 10/31/2012 8:04:37 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: fishtank

And no one in the media called Clintoon a Anti-science creationist knuckle dragging Neaderthal...


8 posted on 10/31/2012 8:06:46 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: fishtank

I always thought he killed it because it was in Texas. What a waste of time and resources but maybe the new research of the same sort was better? Where did they finally do that research?


9 posted on 10/31/2012 8:11:39 AM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: fishtank

Peter Higgs already did it 48 years ago with pencil and paper. Let the EU blow treasure creating obscenely expensive bubble tracks through liquid hydrogen.


10 posted on 10/31/2012 8:40:51 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: outinyellowdogcountry
CERN. I forget how much the US taxpayers still ending up paying, but the Europeans got a lot of construction and manufacturing jobs out of it.

And France got a new N-plant, rather than building new power plants in Texas.

11 posted on 10/31/2012 8:50:19 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: outinyellowdogcountry

You could be right about that — New Mexico made a bid for the project as well. It went to CERN in Switzerland.


12 posted on 10/31/2012 8:59:56 AM PDT by TiaS
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To: fishtank

One of the few good things that he did.


13 posted on 10/31/2012 9:42:44 AM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: outinyellowdogcountry

I was there as a Senior Engineer in Magnet Testing. It was a typical smeer job by the press. Congress was turning it’s eye to cutting funds; SSCL went down, and then NASA as well, but nothing happened to NASA.

What happened to the SSCL was a travesty. From that point forward, the big science no longer occurred in this country. In this case, we “outsourced” it to CERN. We send money and tech to CERN. It was NOT rampant overspending at the SSCL. It was a failure to communicate to the public the benefits of such science.


14 posted on 10/31/2012 9:59:54 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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That is my assessment and it didn’t make sense to end the progress that already had been made. The fact that CERN completed the project shows the interest and value. I know of a couple of people that worked on the project as well, one is my pastor’s wife.


15 posted on 10/31/2012 10:20:30 AM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: SgtHooper

Thanks for your post.

The small amount of money (comparatively) for the SCSC would have been called a “good investment” if the Higgs boson discovery had a big Lone Star on its portrait ‘photograph’.


16 posted on 10/31/2012 11:22:23 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: outinyellowdogcountry

Wow, send me a private with her name. We (my wife) still keep in touch with some of the ppl who worked there, and still live in the area of Waxahachie, etc., south of Dallas.

The SSCL machine was designed to be far more powerful than the CERN machine, and any collider machine on earth, but who knows if that would have made any difference-one would think so, though.


17 posted on 10/31/2012 6:02:56 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: fishtank

The SSCL was a black hole for techies coming in from all over the world, including other US labs such as Fermi and Brookhaven, which, of course, were not too happy about that! So it was very political in that respect. The technology to operate the cryogenic plants spotted around the 52 mile ring had not “matured” yet, but they figured that by the time they needed to make it all work in about 5 years hence (sync the control systems of the plants), the fiber optic tech would have been invented and ready for use. There were physicists, engineers, etc., coming to the Lab even after funding was pulled and most others had already left. This is because they had sold homes, quit jobs, bought homes in Texas, etc., and were then already committed to coming to Texas. Many came anyway, and found other jobs, started their own businesses, etc. But some had to move to Texas with no prospects at all.


18 posted on 10/31/2012 6:16:04 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: The Free Engineer

$40 billion eh? Cripes, Obama spends more than this in one year alone on food stamps. At least the people at the SSC showed up for work.


19 posted on 10/31/2012 6:24:06 PM PDT by chimera
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To: fishtank

Ah, the anti-science types just love this stuff. It’s a national shame that some conservatives are too uncaring to spend a pitance on keeping the USA as a scientific leader.


20 posted on 10/31/2012 6:39:53 PM PDT by Monty22002
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