Posted on 10/26/2012 5:32:09 PM PDT by servo1969
Having a back and forth with a former legendary Delta operator. Here is the gist of what he is implying:
Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from the report jumped out at me.One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not "paint" a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means that the AC130 was on station.Only two places could have called off the attack at that point; the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM commander based on information directly from the target area.If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta says) that means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.If that SEAL was actively "painting" a target; something was on station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to POTUS!
This is far bigger than Watergate.
The second worst feeling in the world has to be the platform crew being desperately asked for help, given a clear target and then having to stand down and watch your fellow Americans die.
The worst has to be the team on the ground knowing that the President just left you to die.
Update: Even with two Predators on station, one unarmed and filming and one armed, the call to stand down comes from the same sources. Earlier today, Bob Owens at PJ Media posts about the responsibility of the order to call off the mission as well as some good info about the AC130s on station.
Update 2: From Adam Baldwin and many of you, here is an audio interview between Rush Limbaugh and a caller identifying as a retired SF Lieutenant Colonel and Special Operations planner for 15 years.
From The Right Scoop:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lljKmmZyCiw
Update 3: Jeff Emanuel thinks that we might be jumping to conclusions and that Jennifer Griffin at FoxNews might have misreported a statement about active laser on a target. I highly respect Jeff and Jennifer. And either could be correct right now. Hopefully, we'll get some clarification.
Update 4: From quoted retired Delta operator, "Jeff is correct (about lasing without air asset) but the only reason you would do that is to determine a specific grid for indirect fire which the SEAL did not have available. You are in an active firefight against mortars and MGs; there is only one reason to cease returning fire and paint a target and it ain't because you thought it was a good time to pull a PMCS on your fucking GLD."
Update 5: The only way I buy that the former SEAL was lasing the target without an active asset to synch to and destroy the target...maybe, just maybe, it was a last stand move. Maybe he did that to give the inbounds a target if he didn't make it...
Update 6: Another (very very trusted) source is saying that the AC130 resources were in the middle of a rotation and that the new resources weren't ready yet so no help would come from Sigonella. So that confirms Panetta's statement.
The WH (Obama, Jarrett, etc.) felt that the lives of these men were not worth the political price that failure would bring.
So they decided to let them die.
It’s as simple as that.
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Proof that the President is Lying about Benghazi?
His lips are moving and sound is comming out!
Help me out here; I think what you say is entirely plausible. So why did they allow these people to die? Was it so they would not be around to tell the truth about what happened?
0bama was worried that any rescue attempt failure with fatalities would be compared to Carter’s ‘botched helicopter rescue’ in Iran. I think that’s the ONLY thing they were worried about at that time; IMPACT TO CAMPAIGN. Throw in a pinch of denial and attempt to cover-up.
0bama was worried that any rescue attempt failure with fatalities would be compared to Carter’s ‘botched helicopter rescue’ in Iran. I think that’s the ONLY thing they were worried about at that time; IMPACT TO CAMPAIGN. Throw in a pinch of denial and attempt to cover-up.
Who, at the White House of all places even KNEW ABOUT THIS RETARDED VIDEO ? (“Innocence of Muslims”)
I pulled it up early on the 12th and there were only 300 or so views.
They certainly didn’t go out and seek something they could pin this on.
Someone at the WH knew about this “Innocence of Muslims” video ahead of time.
Maybe CIA knew folks in the ME were having chatter about it.
Were the Egypt protests the prior day about this stupid video ?
How do we know this ?
No one knows the future. They had sent an available force that was in country. That force was delayed. The former Seals had driven off several attacks and had survived for several hours. They may have thought that they would make it without bringing assets from out of country.
It could be simple incompetence aggravated by political machinations and a willingness to coverup and prevaricate, believeing that the MSM can and will cover for you.
“If there was a rotation, the Ops guys would have known about it.
This is thee most damning evidence i have seen so far. With Petreaus’ statement today, i believe the dam is about to burst.”
God. I hope you’re right.
0bama was notified immediately and automatically when the Benghazi consulate triggered the "Critical Incident Report" alert. He did nothing.
Judge Jeanine Investigates Benghazi Gate Part 4 - 10/20/2012 video 6:53
Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer (U.S. Army ret.), former CIA Station Chief Gary Burtson and former CIA operative Mike Baker
Howie Carr interview with Col. Hunt On The Newest Libyan Revelations audio 28:37
There are three scandals here...
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Denial of requests for security were a dereliction of duty. The lies and misdirection about the "video" after the attack were fraud and malfeasance under the color of authority. The inaction during the attack was something more than that.
The failure to act during the attack is the direct equivalent of desertion IMO.
ONE man had the authority to act that night.
ONE man deserted his post!
EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say
0bama Is A Deserter!
Well written.
You know, if true, the whole thing was so transparent because it was leaked weeks before that Obama may be letting the blind creep go. He denied it....or somebody did. This set up smelled from the beginning and would have been easy to prove. Even I posted my suspicians weeks before on FR. We just don’t have any ankle-biters on our side. McCain? Graham? Give me a break. Breitbart is gone.
Who will impeach?
Reports from Fox today stated that the seals had ‘painted a laser target’ on the mortar nest of the terrorists. Quite a few military guys picked up on that ditty and helped to blow this whole coverup out of the water. This is an important piece of the puzzle to prove Obama and Panetta are lying!!
I will bet, you can’t find a reference, to the Arab protests prior to Sept. 11th 2012, that are connected to the “Innocence of Muslims” video.
Here’s just one report:
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/09/10/jihadis-threaten-to-burn-u-s-embassy-in-cairo/
Jihadis Threaten to Burn U.S. Embassy in Cairo
September 10, 2012 - 4:20 pm
Jihadi groups in Egypt, including Islamic Jihad, the Sunni Group, and Al Gamaa Al Islamiyya have issued a statement threatening to burn the U.S. Embassy in Cairo to the ground.
According to El Fagr, they are calling for the immediate release of the Islamic jihadis who are imprisonment and in detention centers in the U.S. including Guantanamo Bay: “The group, which consists of many members from al-Qaeda, called [especially] for the quick release of the jihadi [mujahid] sheikh, Omar Abdul Rahman [the “Blind Sheikh”], whom they described as a scholar and jihadi who sacrificed his life for the Egyptian Umma, who was ignored by the Mubarak regime, and [President] Morsi is refusing to intervene on his behalf and release him, despite promising that he would. The Islamic Group has threatened to burn the U.S. Embassy in Cairo with those in it, and taking hostage those who remain [alive], unless the Blind Sheikh is immediately released.”
THAT is what I see as the obstacle also. It is entirely possible that she runs the White House, as well as Obama.
However, this vacancy of the pres ceding everything will cause many to jump ship, cross over and aim fire on the dereliction of duty. It’s already happening, as drips will become a stream.
So do you think the source is lying about there not being an aircraft immediately available at Sigonella, or do you think they screwed up the rotation schedule either deliberately or out of incompetence? What do you think is going on?
Would Obama have authorized the drone to be there? Who would have determined whether the drone (either the original or the one that replaced it) had hellfires on them?
The thing that leads me to believe it was not incompetence or just wanting to not have a Jimmy Carter moment right before the election is the refusals in advance to allow more security for Stevens.
And the fact that the White House knew anything about this video that had hardly any views and was created/uploaded by a terrorist cousin of Walid Shoebat who has connections with the Muslim Brotherhood (that planned the 9-11 shenanigans in Egypt), as well as linking to Obama stuff.
Those things really look like advance preparations for this event, not just incompetence. Obama vetoed his Secretary of State to make sure that Stevens was not protected, after a 40-foot hole had been blown in the wall of the consulate. That’s not incompetence. Obama can say he didn’t know about added requests for security, but if Hillary requested additional security and it got vetoed, my understanding is that there is only one person who could have done it. Obama HAD to know, and he personally made sure that Stevens was unprotected.
How could a lead rain storm falling on the moon cultists surrounding the consulate ever cause a Jimmy Carter moment?
I think Hillary, or the State Dept., jumped the gun on blaming the attacks on the video.
It looks to me that the very first reports regarding the video came from a State Dept. press release and was picked up by the media. I read one report that suggested the video played a role in Egypt, but that report only came out after Benghazi attacks. All other reports, prior to Sept. 11 regarding Egypt involved the release of prisoners etc.
That being said, I think 0bama tried to give Hillary some cover on this.
I also believe Hillary has the goods on 0bama.
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