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To: Suz in AZ
There was a response force sent; but it wasn't big enough nor properly configured. According to one time line a 22-man response force left the Lybian Capitol in an aircraft, flew to Benghazi, and then drove into the crises area.

22-men might be a large police response but it is a pitiful military response. I have personally worked with forces smaller than that but they had massive aerial fire power at their immediate beck and call; an 8-man team supported by a Specter gunship with extremely liberal ROEs is the smallest I would have committed to that mission.

What we saw, have seen, and will continue to see is the result of our current political leadership (D) being absolutely unwilling to pay the political price for being wrong.

When I was a young man, about the age of today's line grunts we had LBJ (D) and Robert McNamara (D) who were unable to pay a similar political bill by admitting they had no clue about Vietnam; how to win or how to get out. And how many men out of the 58,000 + on THE WALL paid for their actions?

40 posted on 10/25/2012 7:29:10 PM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL and BOHICA)
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To: Nip

When I was a young man, about the age of today’s line grunts we had LBJ (D) and Robert McNamara (D) who were unable to pay a similar political bill by admitting they had no clue about Vietnam; how to win or how to get out. And how many men out of the 58,000 + on THE WALL paid for their actions?
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And NEVER FORGET when the USS LIBERTY (AGTR-5) was under attack by Israeli Jets that COM6THFLT had launched aircraft to assist the USS LIBERTY (AGTR-5)and first McNamara called them back and when questioned LBJ personally came on and said (to the affect) “GET THEM MF’N AIRCRAFT BACK ABOARD”.

Both of them arsewipes should roast in hell forever, with this bunch of supposed ‘leaders’ along with them and the cowardly REPUBLICANS who refuse to demand answers and bring this fiasco to light.

A POX ON ALL THEIR HOUSES.


52 posted on 10/25/2012 8:53:26 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 "even a garden gnome casts a long shadow at sunset".)
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To: Nip; ASA Vet; BIGLOOK

“When I was a young man, about the age of today’s line grunts we had LBJ (D) and Robert McNamara (D) who were unable to pay a similar political bill by admitting they had no clue about Vietnam; how to win or how to get out. And how many men out of the 58,000 + on THE WALL paid for their actions?”

LBJ and ballless Bob were disasters for the US military.

In an unpublished situation after LBJ became president: One of our USN ships was doing standard ops/training manuevers off the coast of Cuba well outside of the recognized territorial limits. These were standard ops and were done several times a week, which had to po Castro and any Russians left in Cuba.

One afternoon, after an uneventful day of manuevers/ops, after LBJ and Ballless Bob were in charge, the ship was headed back to Gitmo to dock for the night.

On the way back, while still in international waters, a much larger/sleezy tramp ship with an African nation flag pulled along side the smaller USN ship. Then, in an obvious manuever tried to force the slower and smaller USN ship into Cuban waters.

The CO’s requests for help were ignored at Gitmo and in S Florida.

The CO then ordered GQ’s and had the 5 inch gun on the bow manned. Then, he had the best rifle marksmen on his ship load rifles, scatter, take cover and take obivious aim at the crew members on the tramp ship. The cat calls and obscene gestures from the tramp ship’s crew members in sight on the tramp ship stopped when our guy started aiming at them.

Next, he had his crew members who spoke Spanish and a couple of other languages on the load speaker warning the tramp ship that if they didn’t pull away and leave his ship alone:

Two shells would be fired into their bridge. One to blow a hole and the second would have been a phosporous shell fired through the first hole. The third shell would take out their rudder. Then, the next rounds would hit the water line on the ship. From the rudder to the bow of their ship.

In the mean time his rifle men/snipers would shoot to kill anyone in their sights.

A little later after no response from the tramp ship, he ordered the front mount to aim at the bridge and prepare to fire on the ship’s PA and internal com system. He, then told his riflemen to shoot to kill anyone on the decks of the tramp ship.

As the 5 inch came around and aimed at the bridge, the tramp ship veered off and went away.

Help never arrived for our ship. The crew went into Gitmo, still in a GQ status.

Later, instead of being congratulated for saving his men and the ship. The CO was met at the dock and escorted off his ship by armed Marines and went to the Gitmo CC. The CO was reprimanded and a sealed document re the non official proceedings and his “unapproved actions” were put into his records on the ship and at the pentagon. He continued to serve as CO, until his alloted time was up, and he then retired.

LBJ later abandoned the crews of the Pueblo and Liberty.

The current bozo in charge is like LBJ and Carter. They never backed our military in dangerous situations caused by an enemy, they will never admit that the Islamofascists are our enemies.


76 posted on 10/26/2012 8:32:54 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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