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To: Wuli; cripplecreek

Cripplecreek’s niece is not a gift from the Lord? She’s just an accident created by a rapist that G-d will muster up the goodwill to love anyway?

I don’t understand what you’re saying. All a man can do is put his sperm in a position to fertilize an egg; whether it does or doesn’t is beyond his control. Man does not create life. Only G-d can create life. It’s not an automatic thing that has to happen if all the variables are just right - like a building falling down if a plane flies into it, or gasoline exploding in the presence of fire. All the variables can be right, and sometimes conception will occur and sometimes not.


66 posted on 10/24/2012 12:25:02 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

“Cripplecreek’s niece is not a gift from the Lord? She’s just an accident created by a rapist that G-d will muster up the goodwill to love anyway?”

G-d does not have to “muster up the goodwill” to love any of us, even if we are conceived in a test-tube (talk about man’s use of free will!!! yikes).


70 posted on 10/24/2012 1:19:23 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: butterdezillion

“Man does not create life. Only G-d can create life. It’s not an automatic thing that has to happen if all the variables are just right - like a building falling down if a plane flies into it, or gasoline exploding in the presence of fire. All the variables can be right, and sometimes conception will occur and sometimes not.”

Correction - man did not create “life” (creation, the universe and all that’s in it) G-d created creation and in it what we call “life”, which in the most literal sense actually includes all that we think of as “dead”.

“Life” is what is in us and reflected through us. It is all, all of it G-d’s gift, NOT this or that independently, specially and particularly - all of it.

But, G-d does not micromanage what we do with it, including reproduction - with the single exception of Christ!!!


73 posted on 10/24/2012 1:28:41 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: butterdezillion

“All a man can do is put his sperm in a position to fertilize an egg; whether it does or doesn’t is beyond his control.”

The “all a man can do is put his sperm in a position to fertilize an egg” in this instance presumably being by forcing his sperm into an entirely unwilling, screaming woman? Is that the “all” you’re referring to? As for whether the poor woman becomes pregnant through being raped being somehow “beyond his control”, one absolutely sure fire way of avoiding any chance of pregnancy is by him not raping her in the first bloody place.

As I Brit I ultimately / obviously don’t have a dog in any of the US political races, however I do find it rather bizarre that part of the defence of this guy’s comments seems to be that the rape victim should apparently see rape-induced pregnancy as being the silver lining to the unfortunate and somewhat waved-away initial rape cloud, what with it apparently being God’s will for her to get pregnant (but not for her to be raped in the first place, obviously).

This really is a classic question of Theodicy, and I find it a really, really difficult one to answer satisfactorily.


96 posted on 10/25/2012 2:25:14 AM PDT by ToranagaSama
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