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To: Wuli

Only G-d can create life. If G-d didn’t create that life as a gift, then why DID He create it?

In the middle of the destruction of 9-11 the rubble formed a cross. Many viewed that as the Lord giving a sign of comfort in the middle of the sorrow and destruction. If somebody said that the appearance of that cross at that place and time was a gift from the Lord, would they be saying that the terrorist attack was G-d’s gift also? Or can the Lord allow something bad - that He hates - to happen but put a blessing right in the middle of it anyway?


60 posted on 10/24/2012 11:35:00 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

“life” writ large is the “gift of G-d”

that’s what all creation is

but G-d allowed/allows humans and our free will to use what G-d’s creation gives us, which includes our reproductive capabilities - yes, our free will (or, maybe you’re a Muslim and believe (as Muslims do) that we do not have, that G-d did not give us, free will)

that does not make every individual instance of life that humans create a “gift of G-d”, because G-d is not micromanaging all our individual moment-to-moment decisions, “life bearing” and otherwise


64 posted on 10/24/2012 12:09:39 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: butterdezillion

“In the middle of the destruction of 9-11 the rubble formed a cross. Many viewed that as the Lord giving a sign of comfort in the middle of the sorrow and destruction. If somebody said that the appearance of that cross at that place and time was a gift from the Lord, would they be saying that the terrorist attack was G-d’s gift also? Or can the Lord allow something bad - that He hates - to happen but put a blessing right in the middle of it anyway?”

No, I don’t believe “G-d caused” any cross-connected segments of the steel girdirs of the twin towers to remain visible in the rubble, in any special way (many such instances actually occurred down through the rubble as could naturally be expected by the structure of the damaged buildings) - anymore than I believe that what some say appeard to be an image of Christ in a piece of baked-pastry to be an act of G-d.

We can see the resemblences of many images that are dear to our faith, and that’s what they are - resemblences. The “gift of G-d” is our faith, and the images remind us of that gift - our faith, and it is for THAT reason the images have meaning to us, that we appreciate them and ON REFLECTION OF WHAT THEY INSPIRE IN US FROM OUR FAITH (NOT BECAUSE ANY ICON SHOULD BE CONSIDERED GODLY) that we appreciate them.

Is that cross-connected section of girdirs important to many of us? Yes. Because G-d micromanged it to be there? No - because it - the image - is a reminder of the strength many of us sought from G-d at the time as well as the peace G-d helped many of us find at the time, and because those things come from our faith, the faith the image reminds us of. The “gift” again is our faith, not the steel girdirs. Men put them up and evil men knocked them down.


69 posted on 10/24/2012 12:41:47 PM PDT by Wuli
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