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To: the scotsman; Lazmataz

I hope you have protested enough to convince yourself as my mind remains unchanged.

It was damn sure the beginning of the end and if America hadn’t ramped up in a fashion that Britain could only dream about you would be speaking German had your ancestors survived.


26 posted on 10/24/2012 1:42:57 PM PDT by Eaker (Stripping Americans of their freedom and dignity and rubbing their noses in it is a very bad idea.)
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To: Eaker

Oh dear, the youd be speaking German crap.

You should take up comedy.


27 posted on 10/24/2012 2:14:55 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: Eaker; the scotsman
losing the American colonies wasn't the beginning of the end. Rather it was the end of the beginning :)

The Brits first expanded into North America

This ended partially in the late 1700s (Canada was still retained)

They also looked on the American colonies as a place for Brits to migrate to, not to have Germans etc. coming in. So the chances of the expansion to the west were lesser as they were challenged by the French and Spanish (remember the Louisiana purchase was really because Napoleon conquered Spain -- in fact in the Treaty of Vienna, there was talk of it being handed back to Spain)

you, Eaker, on the other hand are talking about WWI. the US involvement was critical more for it's significance rather than with its actuality -- by this I mean that the number of US soldiers and involvement was useful, but more than useful was it's impact -- it told the Germans that though they had bled the French and the Brits, there was more available fresh manpower from the US

The German military realized this and sued for peace even though German soldiers were all outside Germany (which led to the "stab-in-the-back" theory

Here's a controversial idea -- if the US didn't join in, the war would have ended in 1918 with German borders on the west the same, but expanded on the east, with a collapsed austro-hungary and an expanded Turkey (into Russia, not the Balkans)

There is no way that the Germans would have invaded Britain -- their natural leibensraum and what they wanted was in the east or at best against France

30 posted on 10/30/2012 9:32:45 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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