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To: savagesusie

I’m really sort of at a loss for “Since druggies are mostly the destroyers of private property and thieves and liars” - are we talking about CANNABIS here?

I’ve known many people who have smoked/do smoke pot. I would say that 10-20% of them are the stereotypicial “stoners” that are in their 30s-40s, underachievers, living at home or with other relatives who care for them. The other 80-90% of them are all gainfully employed. One of them is a doctor, another is a vice president of a large telco.

I’m not trying to argue that everyone who smokes pot is going to be a rocket scientist, but what you seem to be doing is to be assuming that every person who smokes pot is a no-goodnik who is going to destroy the fabric of society, and that’s just not the case.

Every person who drinks beer doesn’t go home and drunkenly beat their wife and children. Every person who smokes tobacco doesn’t get lung cancer that has to be treated on the taxpayer dime.

Taxpayers AREN’T paying for all the druggies and their progeny. It’s not something where all the people who smoke pot are on government assistance and all the people that don’t smoke pot are hardworking citizens that are getting taxed to pay for the pot for the rest of society.

“People who used drugs illicitly usually were killed and their genetic pool died out.” ....strange, when you consider that cannabis was the most used drug of the ancient world.

Just sayin.


111 posted on 10/24/2012 8:22:07 AM PDT by Ueriah
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To: Ueriah

I am talking about morality and character. Over thousands of years, starting with Sophocles in Western Civilization -—morality and character were tied to Virtue. Virtue is excellence. Now, if you do things to destroy cognitive function or lesson it-—when intelligence is what differentiates us from base animal urges, then it is considered “evil” to do anything which lessons that which makes one truly human—the intellect.

Evil always occurs when people treat their own bodies (Temples of God) with drugs or mutilate their senses which dehumanizes them and reduces them to an animal with no intellect. It has been fully documented since Cain and Abel—the results of immorality and lack of character. Druggies have no character—no will power—no control over their emotional life. Most break ins—are done by drug users. Most thefts are done by drug users. Most evil is done by cocaine users like zero who regards his own body with no respect—we see that with the debasing acts of sodomy-—and his willingness to watch his own ambassador get sodomized on tv which elicits no efforts to save him.

Good and Evil in Western Civ has always been bound by character. We used to realize—before Clinton—that if a person lacks character in their private life-—it will warp and invade ALL aspects of their Worldview which drugging the masses helps to mollify. We see that in all the evil policies of a Hillary and Bill-—all is to destroy the individual and make us all dependent on a totalitarian world government. Their goals have always been obvious-—and the drug using Clinton and his sexcapades shows he treats human beings as objects to be demeaned. He is an example of a drug user and one devoid of sexual morality. Character always matters

Using drugs for the “mind” numbing effect is vacating from actual living and it always harms the bodies by the toxins always in all drugs.

You think People will be better to be on pot? I was in speech class, where this guy who was 20 explained how pot almost destroyed his life-—and he had to go through drug treatment. He explained how it destroys motivation and productivity and makes one “not care” about things happening around him. Aristotle would say that is a wasted life since the contemplative life and the Active Life are the main things which make mankind “happy”. It is using the intellect in its most clear sense. You seem to think being fuzzy minded makes one “more creative” or “better”-—which has been proven a lie. They just believe they are “clever” and “creative”. I have been at pot parties before and I will tell you they are the most stupid, dumb people I have ever been around. It proved all I needed to know about pot smokers—and which is continually proved as I probe their vacant minds. They should be reading Aristotle or Cicero or spending time reading to their children.

Nothing good ever comes from retreating from reality by taking drugs which have their own toxic effect on the body, and the placating, sucking of Will in the Mind.

BTW, Justice is the goal of the Rule of Law. Justice is a Virtue. To have Just Laws (which is the only Constitutional type of law in our Republic) has to promote public Virtue. This has been known and stated by Aristotle, Cicero, Machiavelli, Polybius, Locke, Blackstone, All the Founders, etc. It is the basic principle of Rule of Law and Just Law and our Constitution.

Trying to make illicit drug use a Virtue—won’t work. Sodomy and baby killing are not Virtues, either—even if the unconstitutional laws are trying to force our children to have that worldview. Those activities will always be a Vice.

Justice will not exist in a country which promotes Vice——but that is what the Marxists are trying to do in our public schools and military—to destroy character which always has collapsed cultures (Rome, Weimar Republic). It is why we need to get evil government OUT of the schools so they don’t corrupt and destroy the logic in the next generation of Americans like they have so many generations since Dewey.


112 posted on 10/24/2012 1:23:58 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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