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Eliminate the TSA
Townhall.com ^ | October 22, 2012 | Katie Kieffer

Posted on 10/22/2012 4:26:48 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin
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41 posted on 10/22/2012 6:45:53 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Kaslin
Look at the little demonstration flyer taped to the wall in this picture...

..It looks like it was put up there by a six year old. Details matter, and to me, the sloppiness and slap dash matter that flyer was put up with, knowing that it was there for the traveling public at large, says a lot about the attitudes the TSA has for those passengers.

42 posted on 10/22/2012 6:51:17 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Little Ray
Honey, I shrunk the IRS!
43 posted on 10/22/2012 7:13:28 AM PDT by carumba (The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. Groucho)
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To: Joe 6-pack
What you have noticed is just another example of the complete lack of professionalism and respect for customers that DEFINES the TSA. Privatization is the only way to change that. Put someone’s reputation on the line and the quality will climb.
44 posted on 10/22/2012 7:18:41 AM PDT by Casie
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To: Delhi Rebels

Do away with the TSA and let the airlines pay for their own security. The customer flying should be the one to bear the cost burden for that security and should expect a quality product.
I will not fly because the airlines depend on the useless TSA and are glad to let the taxpayer pay for their business to operate. The market is perverted, and the product sucks.


45 posted on 10/22/2012 7:23:06 AM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: Delhi Rebels

Easiest would be to re-assert/re-allow the 2nd Amendment; but you must load with frangible ammo.

Problem solved.

I recently returned from an out of town, work required, conference where the TSA dip-shit was INDIVIDUALLY going through a tin of change. I bet there was 1/2 the gate sitting there, watching the stupid radiate from the checkpoint.


46 posted on 10/22/2012 7:49:03 AM PDT by i_robot73
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To: Kaslin
TSA = NAZIS w/union

end of

47 posted on 10/22/2012 8:00:02 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: Delhi Rebels
So what's your solution?

They've already reinforced the cockpit doors. Arm the flight crew, (and/or the passengers) and we could all get back on with our lives sans TSA.

48 posted on 10/22/2012 8:07:49 AM PDT by zeugma (Rid the world of those savages. - Dorothy Woods, widow of a Navy Seal, AMEN!)
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To: Rummyfan

[ I agree - it’s kabuki theater security ]

Maybe we should go through security dressed up as Kabuki actors?

Maybe then we could demostarte how dumb this kabuki thing is...


49 posted on 10/22/2012 8:13:38 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Rummyfan
But we cannot have anyone screaming Profiling!.

Who would you have do the profiling if not the same TSA drones you're currently complaining about.

50 posted on 10/22/2012 8:25:23 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: ExpatGator
Do away with the TSA and let the airlines pay for their own security.

TWA can't keep their seats bolted to the floor and I'm supposed to trust them with security?

51 posted on 10/22/2012 8:29:02 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: Casie
So, what is the solution? Private Companies. Why? Because the Gestapo like attitudes would not be tolerated. Employees would be better screened and trained. Standard Operating Procedures would need to serve an actual purpose or service. Like any private company, they would strive for excellence in their field and they would want to build customer trust.

That's probably the first reasonable suggestion I've seen yet. But how do we ensure that the private companies don't degenerate to a rent-a-cop level of service that's even worse than the TSA? You know that if it gets turned over to the airlines to fund and supervise then it'll go to the lowest cost vendor regardless of the quality of the product. And I think that the TSA has some sort of arrest powers that a private company wouldn't have, how do we back them up?

52 posted on 10/22/2012 8:33:47 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: Delhi Rebels

Apply consumer choice to your observation.
In other words, don’t fly with the airlines that do a poor job and treat their customers like crap.


53 posted on 10/22/2012 8:57:53 AM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: Kaslin

There is agreement that the TSA should be eliminated. But what matters is the process to eliminate it.

To start with, the courts must be made to understand that profiling is *not* inherently bad. It is extensively used in Europe, and it works. America’s aversion to it dating to the Civil Rights era is “ancient history”.

Trying to create an illusion of “fairness” in security is just mind-bogglingly dumb. No, the odds of an elderly, Canadian Catholic woman in a wheelchair, traveling with her 5 year old granddaughter, being a terrorist, or being used by a terrorist, is infinitesimally tiny. Not worth it.

She is in no way comparable to a 30 year old Pakistani Muslim with a beard and turban, carrying a Koran, in a group of similar men. Stop pretending they are.

And stop pretending that “anybody” can look like a Muslim. While a minority of Muslims can look like non-Muslims, the vast majority of Muslims broadcast their beliefs clearly in their dress, luggage, language and behavior.

In practical terms, this means that instead of “fairly” oppressing *everyone* who wants to fly in aircraft, let the people of profiled groups know that they need to appear at the airport several hours early for a detailed examination.

As policy, they also can be restricted in how many of them can be on a particular flight, when and how they can conduct prayers in airports, etc.

It is *not* oppressive or racist. It just recognizes reality.

In any event, once the courts accept the new paradigm of security by profiling, *then* the TSA can turn over its function to private airport security.

And *then* the TSA can be dissolved.


54 posted on 10/22/2012 9:16:24 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: Rummyfan
I agree - it’s kabuki theater security and just an immense hassle, carried out by largely minimum-wage cretins and costs billions. But obama will never shut it down - yet another reason to vote Romney.

It was a Republican administration and a RINO-led Congress that gave us the TSA and these patdowns that make some sheeple feel better.

Romney is even more liberal than Bush, and there is nothing in Romney's actual past or record to indicate that Romney would change the TSA, and Romney has surrounded himself with the same types of liberal and moderate RINOs that Bush did, and Congress will be even more liberal than it was under Bush, regardless of who comes out on top.

If you pin your hopes on Romney getting rid of the TSA, I feel sorry for you. It was nanny-staters like Romney and his advisers that helped usher in the TSA.
55 posted on 10/22/2012 12:42:10 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Delhi Rebels
Unless Obama recently signed another one of those secret executive orders, TSA can not arrest you. The procedure is to detain you while police are dispatched to question and possibly arrest you. The TSA can fine you.

I do not have experience with tons of different companies but I have worked in buildings / properties with private securities. Even Barksdale Airforce Base utilizes civilian private security.

Many are retired military, police, fire or prison guards. Some are even medics and have emergency medical training.

They are well trained and very professional. They have a clear chain of command and a firm grasp of their responsibilities. Most importantly, the men and women I met were always aware that public safety was the most important thing, but it was also important that visitors had a somewhat positive experience!

They were always very firm but polite. They would engage with visitors on the property that looked lost, confused, angry, loud, or were having problems. They would approach the person and offer assistance, using the conversation to quickly ascertain if the person was a threat, who they were and where they were headed on the premises. They worked as a team to cover very large properties and relayed information from officer to officer when they discovered a person they wanted to keep eyes on.

I only ever heard of one security officer being fired for bad behavior. I wasn't there but he apparently harassed his ex-wife's new boyfriend while on duty. :p

Anyway, you can't really compare the TSA mess to good private security. One is a wasteful, sloppy, abusive, government over-reach. The other is a well practiced, skilled, professional, and (most of the time) friendly asset.

56 posted on 10/22/2012 1:15:40 PM PDT by Casie
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To: Kaslin
Osama is dead -so what?

Thanks to the Muslim 0zer0, Islam remains not only alive but now even more a threat to the West. Benghazi was but another one of many canaries in the coal mine of leftist delusion -another canary the pacifists and anti Americans attempt to bury and pretend away...

If the war is over WHY do we still staff TSA?

-Romney should ask these questions:
When is the TSA drawdown scheduled?
What date will TSA pullout from our airports?

Let us be real -IF the need that premises the existence of TSA continues THEN we are still at war. Killing Osama Bin Laden did not end the war BECAUSE the war was never simply against Osama Bin Laden -it was and remains a war against Radical Islam.

It is time to get rid of the TSA -not because the war is over BUT because the TSA is NOT screening for Radical Islamists.

57 posted on 10/22/2012 5:06:43 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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