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Criminals and the Guns They Carry
Buckeye Firerams Association ^ | 18 October, 2012 | Greg Ellifritz

Posted on 10/19/2012 12:39:21 PM PDT by marktwain

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss." Chinese philosopher Sun Tzu said this over 2000 years ago in his book The Art of War. It's hardly new advice. Yet it is just as useful now as it was so many centuries ago.

Armed citizens spend countless hours trying to find the perfect weapon system, combining the best size, accuracy, reliability, and stopping power into one easy-to-carry package. They try friends' guns. They read gun magazines. They study every gun website on the Internet. They are truly taking Sun Tzu's advice above as they attempt to "know themselves."

But how much time does the average CCW permit holder spend on the other portion of that quote? How many of you spend an equal amount of time studying criminal behavior in order to "know your enemy?" Most of my students don't study criminal behavior nearly as much as they should.

There are several reasons for this phenomenon. The primary reason is that most honest citizens don't come into contact with hardened criminals on a daily basis. They don't personally know any criminals and have no direct experience dealing with them. Without having regular contact with criminals, honest citizens are forced to rely on research done by others. Most criminological research isn't all that interesting or relevant for the law-abiding citizen. The available academic research simply doesn't answer many of the questions the average person cares about.

Armed citizens want to understand commonly used criminal ruses and attacks. They want to know how likely they are to be victimized. They want to know potential characteristics of their attackers and their attackers' weapons. They want to know when and where crimes occur. Unfortunately, most criminological researchers aren't interested in the same topics. It's tough finding useful research.

The lack of available research leads to real preparation problems for the armed citizen. How does a person choose what type of weapon to carry when he doesn't have a good idea of the threat he faces? Wouldn't knowing the types of weapons criminals carry be important information to have before deciding what type of weapon you should carry? Remember Sun Tzu's quote above; we need to know both ourselves AND our enemies.

There hasn't been a whole lot of published research on the subject of criminal weapons. There are numerous studies from the FBI and US DOJ about weapons used in crimes, but they don't go into great detail. Most only identify if the weapon used by the criminal was a firearms, edged weapon, or impact weapon. If the reports supply additional information about firearms, they seldom track individual weapon types, calibers, and ammunition. Most papers only classify the weapons used in crimes as "handguns," "rifles," and "shotguns." That's not enough information for the armed citizen. He or she needs to know more details about the threats they face.

In my full-time job as a police training officer, I have much better access to criminal weapon information than the average citizen has. In fact, all the guns my department seizes from criminals end up in my office after the cases have been adjudicated. I get regular packages containing a crime report, a gun, and the ammunition loaded in it crossing my desk. I then test fire all of these weapons with the exact ammunition they were loaded with during the time of the crime.

Over the past several years, I have been collecting information about these weapons to share with my officers and the students in my classes. Please keep in mind that this is a very small sample of weapons and depending on your locale, it may not reflect the threats that YOU face. My police agency is relatively small and patrols a very affluent suburban community in the Midwest. The crime rate in our city is very low. It certainly isn't Miami or Los Angeles, but over time, I've amassed quite a database of criminal weapons and ammunition.

That data I will report below comes from the details of the last 85 weapons that my agency has seized from criminals. Each of these weapons was seized from the criminal contemporaneous with the crime he committed. Some were taken from the criminal's body, some from the criminal's house, and some from the criminal’s car. I did not include guns that were donated to the department or guns used in suicides here. The majority of the weapons detailed here were taken from armed robbers and other types of criminals who were carrying guns in the commission of their crimes. The Basics

As I stated above, this study contains the details the most recent 85 firearms taken from criminals by my agency. Of those 85 guns:

- 67 were handguns

* 13 revolvers

* 52 semi –automatic pistols

* 1 Derringer

* 1 illegally-converted fully automatic machine pistol

- 11 were rifles

# 4 Bolt Actions

# 7 semi –automatic rifles

- 7 were shotguns

* 4 Pump Actions

* 3 single shots or double barrels

We had a wide variety of firearms manufacturers included in the database. Companies that represented the most seized guns were:

- Ruger-9

- Smith and Wesson- 6

- Glock-5

- Hi Point- 5

- Beretta- 4

- Lorcin- 4

- Remington- 4

- Raven- 3

- Jennings- 3

- IntraTec- 3

- Norinco- 3

Nine of the 85 weapons were completely broken and unable to function. 17 more of the guns had limited functionality because of frequent (at least 1 in the first 3 rounds I fired) malfunctions, lack of magazines (5 guns), and other problems like incorrect magazines, and internal parts breakage that lead to inconsistent firing ability.

Caliber and Ammunition

It was quite shocking to me to note that many of the guns we seized were unloaded! Here's the breakdown:

- Unloaded- 24 (28%)

- Less than fully-loaded- 4 (5%)

- Loaded with the wrong caliber ammunition- 2 (2%)

- Loading status unknown- 6 (7%)

- Fully Loaded- 49 (57%)

The handguns we seized were of the following calibers:

- .22 Short, Long Rifle, and Magnum- 9

- .25 ACP- 3

- .32 ACP, Short or Long- 5

- .380 ACP- 5

- .38 SPL or S&W- 4

- 9mm- 26

- .357 Mag, or Sig- 5

- .40 S&W- 4

- .45 ACP- 5

- .50 AE- 1

All the shotguns except one were 12 gauges. The rifles were split between .22 Long Rifle, .223, and 7.62x39mm.

When the guns were loaded, they contained a strange mix of ammunition. Of the loaded handguns:

- 26 were loaded with FMJ or RNL ammunition- (51%)

- 14 contained Jacketed Hollowpoint ammunition- (27%)

- 9 contained some mix of several different ammunition types (18%)

- 2 were loaded with handgun shotshells- (4%)

A couple of other interesting notes on ammunition:

- All of the .22 weapons had RNL ammo or shotshells. Not a single hollowpoint round was loaded into any of the .22s.

- All of the .357 magnum revolvers were loaded with premium hollowpoint ammunition

- Roughly 75% of the .40S&W and .45ACP pistols were loaded with hollowpoint ammunition

- More than 80% of the 9mm pistols were loaded with FMJ ammunition

Discussion

The most likely firearm threat a citizen in my community is likely to face is from a handgun. Roughly 79% of the weapons we take from criminals are revolvers or pistols. This echoes the statistics gathered by the US Department of Justice on crime-related firearms injuries. Their research states that 82% of crime victims that received gunshot wounds were shot by handguns.

Those handguns are not always the cheap and easily concealed "Saturday Night Specials" that criminals stereo-typically carry. Dr. James Wright, in his book "Armed and Considered Dangerous" found that the criminals he studied preferred larger, more powerful, and more reliable handguns over smaller, cheaper, and more easily concealed ones.

My data bears this out. Of the 67 handguns carried by criminals in this study, only 17 of them (25%) were below .35 caliber. The vast majority were medium to larger caliber weapons.

The guns were not all cheaply made either. The three most commonly represented handgun manufacturers in this study (Ruger, Smith and Wesson, and Glock) are generally known to make quality, reliable handguns. Only about 23% of the guns we took from criminals could be considered “Saturday Night Specials”.

Previous research conducted by the Bureau of Justice Statistics tells us that in all criminal victimizations with firearms; only 11% of the victims were shot or shot at. When criminal attacks with all weapons (knives, clubs, etc.) are included, less than 1% of armed criminal victimizations resulted in a gunshot wound. These statistics have always been puzzling to me. Why aren't more people getting shot by criminals?

Now I know the answer. The criminals' weapons won't fire! Let's break down the numbers again:

Out of 85 weapons seized:

- 24 are not loaded

- 2 are not loaded with the correct ammunition

- 9 are completely broken

Combine those facts and you will see that 41% of the weapons we seize from criminals are completely non-functional!

Now include the four guns that weren't fully loaded and the 17 with extremely limited function (no magazines, malfunctioned within 1st 3 rounds, etc.) and take a look at the results. In total, 66% of the guns we took from criminals were unable to be fired or could be fired for fewer than three rounds before being empty or experiencing a malfunction!

I believe that's a major factor in why victims of firearms crimes are so unlikely to be shot!

In their paper Firearm Injury and Death from Crime, The U.S. Department of Justice states that there are 3.3 nonfatal firearms wounds for every fatal one. In addition to highlighting the effectiveness of our medical system, that statistic can also show that the criminals who do have functioning weapons aren't very accurate or aren't using the most effective bullets available.

My study bears this statistic out as well. Only 27% of the loaded handguns we seized were loaded with quality Jacketed Hollowpoint ammunition. The rest were loaded with far less effective FMJ, RNL, or Shotshell ammunition.

Lessons to Learn

To ensure victory against criminals, armed citizens and police officers need to be better equipped and better prepared than the attackers they face. What does this research suggest as far as preparations?

1) If the armed citizen is going to face a criminal attacker, the criminal is likely to be armed with a medium to large caliber handgun, most likely a 9mm auto pistol. That tells me that I may not feel comfortable carrying a little pocket gun. I really don’t want to be carrying a small .32 automatic when my attacker is likely to be armed with a full sized Ruger, S&W, or Glock pistol! Carry enough gun!

On the other hand, you are quite unlikely to encounter criminals with military-style semi-automatic rifles. Maybe it's safe to leave the long guns and plate body armor at home on your next trip to the grocery store.

2) Criminals often carry unloaded or poorly functioning weapons. Make sure your weapon is loaded and functional! Don’t carry with the chamber empty (that’s almost the same as being unloaded), buy a quality handgun and keep it both clean and well-lubricated.

You must also understand the true danger you face when confronting an armed criminal. Many victims comply with an armed criminal's demands during the crime because they assume that the criminal's gun is fully functional and loaded. This study shows that more likely than not, that’s a false assumption. While I'm not advocating resistance in every instance of criminal violence, that course of action is likely to be more successful than the average person realizes.

3) Criminals usually carry cheap and less effective FMJ and RNL ammunition in their guns. The guns may have a mix of several ammunition types (each likely shooting to a different point of aim), or be only partially loaded.

Make sure your weapon is fully loaded with high quality ammunition. Any of the major brand jacketed hollow-point bullets is likely to be fine. Ensure the gun cycles reliably with your chosen ammunition.

Conclusion

Now that you know a little bit more about your enemy, you can better prepare yourself. Carry a quality weapon. Keep it clean and lubricated. Load it with good ammunition. Train until you can’t fail.

If Sun Tzu had guns back in his day, I bet he'd tell you the same thing.

Greg Ellifritz is the full time firearms and defensive tactics training officer for a central Ohio police department. He holds instructor or master instructor certifications in more than 75 different weapon systems, defensive tactics programs and police specialty areas. Greg has a master's degree in Public Policy and Management and is an instructor for both the Ohio Peace Officer's Training Academy and the Tactical Defense Institute.

For more information or to contact Greg, visit his training site at Active Response Training.


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To: marktwain
“24 not loaded”

To quote Jeff Cooper "All guns are always loaded all the time" (see Rule 1 of Cooper's Laws for Gun Safety).

Interesting stats, but NOTHING can be stated definitively about the gun YOUR criminal will be carrying when he assaults YOU. If he has a weapon, it must be assumed to be LOADED and that he is ready and willing to USE it.

Stop the threat. Then, add his stats to the above report.

21 posted on 10/19/2012 2:54:43 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: marktwain

bump


22 posted on 10/19/2012 2:55:37 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: marktwain; Kartographer

This is just slightly off topic, but since it has been discussed here many times about the possibility of SHTF and the inner city thugs flowing out into the surrounding area looking for food/drugs etc. The question arises; Is this the quality of the opponent we might encounter? The ones who are most likely to be violently inclined?

And if so, does this also show us what sort of weaponry might be deployed by them?


23 posted on 10/19/2012 3:47:59 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: The Working Man

Yes and yes.

But remember, the further away you live from the feral areas the ones who survive to make it to your neck of the woods will be the most ruthless and well armed of the bunch.


24 posted on 10/19/2012 3:58:54 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

Very good points!

Let’s just hope that rule 308 takes them out first.


25 posted on 10/19/2012 4:06:09 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: marktwain
"That tells me that I may not feel comfortable carrying a little pocket gun. I really don’t want to be carrying a small .32 automatic when my attacker is likely to be armed with a full sized Ruger, S&W, or Glock pistol! Carry enough gun!"

Disagree. Most people who carry get tired of carrying daily with a full sized weapon. Heck, if I knew trouble was coming, I'd go around with a semi-automatic rifle in at least .308 - but I don't. In 35 years as an adult, I've had a reason to pull a gun once, and have yet to need to use one.

Right now, I'm looking for a small 380...leaning to the Sig 238. Something small enough to carry EVERY day. If I'm feeling more tense, then I'll ADD a 686+ or rifle.

BTW - a 380 with FMJ ammo will penetrate 20" of ballistic gelatin. Yes, I'd prefer my 44, but my S&W 29 is a bit awkward to carry daily!

26 posted on 10/19/2012 4:11:28 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Hammerhead

Greg knows what he’s talking about.


27 posted on 10/19/2012 4:16:41 PM PDT by real saxophonist
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To: expat2

When you’re attacked, there’s very little time to rack the slide and chamber a round. This video demonstrates that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rytJweALgqw


28 posted on 10/19/2012 6:53:15 PM PDT by Shreveman
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To: Shreveman
These officers were waiting far too long to unholster their weapons -- IMO they should have the gun out and behind their thigh or back.
What I was talking about was not waiting until after reaching a potentially dangerous situation before getting a round into the chamber. On the contrary, before getting within 25ft I would take out the weapon and chamber a round so the weapon is already drawn and ready to fire.
IOW, leave the chamber empty when say driving in a rural or upscale suburb but chamber a round before getting out in a downscale shopping center, for example.
This is all theoretical for me, a learning exercise -- I am not an LEO.
29 posted on 10/19/2012 8:16:57 PM PDT by expat2
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To: SampleMan
Completely unloaded to me, and the law, is neither a round in the chamber nor a loaded magazine inserted. I am not advocating the latter, that would be dumb.
30 posted on 10/19/2012 8:21:10 PM PDT by expat2
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To: expat2; All
I think it is a bad idea to vary the condition (round in the chamber or not) of your sidearm while carrying it.

The problem is always remembering what condition it is in. Is there a round chambered or not? Are you feeling lucky?

What you want is that the way that you draw the firearm becomes automatic and reliable. If you choose to carry with an empty chamber, then do so all the time and practice always chambering a round automatically when you draw. This is the Israeli method.

If you are going to carry with a round chambered, always do so.

Another consideration is the added safety risk of constantly loading/unloading the handgun. Doing this thousands of times increases the possibility of an accidental discharge.

I carry with a round chambered. I have always done so since the time I was really, really glad that I had the pistol with me, did not have to draw or fire, and then found that I did not have a round in the chamber.

It could have been very “embarrassing” to find that out in the middle of a confrontation.

Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from the mistakes of others is much better.

31 posted on 10/20/2012 7:56:08 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: expat2
“One in the spout” may be fine and necessary when facing a high probability of encountering a criminal, but, given the normal low probability of that, isn’t it a little too much for everyday use?

No, it is not "a little too much". It is exactly right. Your weapon was DESINGED to be carried loaded. Loaded means a round in the chamber, or a round in all chambers in the case of a revolver. (The only exception is certain single shot revolvers. You're not carrying one for self defense.) If you aren't comfortable with a cocked and locked 1911 or Hi-Power, then carry a DA or DA/SA pistol or carry a DA revolver.

IMO

32 posted on 10/20/2012 8:11:24 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Well, the voting is overwhelmingly for a round in the chamber at all times. But personally I think that is only good practice with double-action, unless of course one is in a potentially tight spot.

Who was the athlete who had his gone go off in a bar while in his pocket or holster?

33 posted on 10/20/2012 9:20:21 AM PDT by expat2
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To: real saxophonist

Its useless information. Like anyone is going to care what the stats are if a gun is being pointed at you.


34 posted on 10/20/2012 3:53:30 PM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: expat2
IIRC, the athlete in question had the pistol stuck in his belt (no holster), it fell out (supposedly), and fired on impact with the ground (supposedly).

You can take the thug out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of the thug.

Carry a quality pistol in a quality holster, and things like this become vanishingly unlikely.

35 posted on 10/21/2012 5:00:35 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Some things bother me about this report.

1. How can he shoot ammo that was loaded in the gun? I realize he says the cases have gone thru the trial phases but what about appeals and destroying evidence? How does the firearm & ammo become the property of the police dept?

2. The author gives exacting percentage answers and then selectively adds phrases like “roughly” before one of three or four percentage numbers. Why aren’t the other numbers approximate too?

3. Guns are used by criminals to achieve their objective which is not always to win a gunfight...I suspect they are used to intimidate the weak, perhaps to gain status, etc, etc.

Overall, I rank it as a pretty silly article.


36 posted on 10/23/2012 9:48:58 AM PDT by Geoffrey
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