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Domestic situations are nasty, but to keep advancing on a man in his home when he has told you that he has a gun cannot be blamed on being under the influence.
1 posted on 10/11/2012 4:02:46 AM PDT by marktwain
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Since when does “unarmed” mean “not at all dangerous in any way whatsoever”?


2 posted on 10/11/2012 4:06:37 AM PDT by Flintlock (-THE TRUTH--It's the NEW hate speech.)
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Unwise actions by the late Mr. Fredenburg.


3 posted on 10/11/2012 4:10:05 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Una bruja.)
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Harper fatally shot Fredenberg three times

Killed the guy three times???

4 posted on 10/11/2012 4:10:58 AM PDT by laker_dad
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It looks like he was looking for a fight, and got one.


5 posted on 10/11/2012 4:12:10 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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“while prosecutors in the state say they’ve become increasingly hamstrung by a piece of 2009 legislation that makes it more difficult to charge cases in which self-defense issues are raised....”

So how many prosecutors say that? Two? One?

Pet store owners say that they’ve seen Tristan Scott buying flea soap; therefore, she sleeps with dogs.


6 posted on 10/11/2012 4:13:12 AM PDT by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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I have all ways told people it is real stupid to tell some one that is armed. You are going to hurt or kill them.
7 posted on 10/11/2012 4:13:27 AM PDT by riverrunner
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How do we know he is telling the truth?

The link did not work.


8 posted on 10/11/2012 4:13:33 AM PDT by sakic
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That castle doctrine works both ways.

My initial reaction was, chain the b***ch
to the front porch and see if mr romantically
involved comes to visit/help.

Sometimes initial reactions are just that.


11 posted on 10/11/2012 4:19:37 AM PDT by wita
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The Sept. 22 shooting death of 40-year-old Dan Fredenberg occurred inside the garage of Brice Harper, who had reportedly drawn Fredenberg’s ire after becoming romantically involved with the man’s wife.

Did he fear for his life or was he eliminating her husband.???

Harper fatally shot Fredenberg three times.

That answers my question.

He should have been indicted. No Castle Doctrine for him.

13 posted on 10/11/2012 4:21:30 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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Domestic situations are nasty, but to keep advancing on a man in his home when he has told you that he has a gun cannot be blamed on being under the influence.

Then again, all we have is Mr Harper's word that things happened the way he said they did. Mr Fredenberg was a fool for confronting Mr Harper where he did. He was a double fool for blaming Harper for his wife's behavior.

14 posted on 10/11/2012 4:26:07 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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"Harper, 24, was standing in the threshold to his home when an unarmed Fredenberg entered the garage and advanced toward him, according to the police investigation. Harper fatally shot Fredenberg three times, and told police he feared for his life."

Good enough. Castle doctrine (as usual) has nothing to do with it. "Romantic" entanglements with another man's wife generally lead to murder and mayhem. I have no doubt he feared for his life when the offended husband darkened his doorway.
15 posted on 10/11/2012 4:29:00 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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It is one man's word involved here, and whatever forensic evidence that can be gathered.

There is the possibility that the shooter discovered the affair, lured the guy to the property and then shot an unarmed man as part of a premeditated plot to eliminate his rival.

If law enforcement cannot demonstrate that such a setup took place, it will be very hard to charge him and castle doctrine applies.

If the wife invited the man to her home, then it should not apply. He was a guest, no matter how unwelcome he was to one resident.

17 posted on 10/11/2012 4:34:05 AM PDT by wideawake
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do I understand from what little I can get of this poorly written article that the adulterer murdered the husband of the woman he was fornicating with? So, this needs to be a murder investigation.

Surely, these two depraved individuals set this up. Oh, I’ll have H come over to “talk this out.” Then I will say he threatened me in my castle shoot him and claim the Castle doctrine. Then his wife and I will live happily ever after with all his money. uh huh. great.


19 posted on 10/11/2012 4:54:11 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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Link to story



21 posted on 10/11/2012 4:58:24 AM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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If it were up to the gun grabbers the law would require the shooter (defender) to have been beaten severely and on the verge of dying before he could shoot an unarmed man.

Only then, could it be proven that his life was at stake and to shoot was finally “earned.”


32 posted on 10/11/2012 5:48:19 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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Sounds like a good shoot from the description


39 posted on 10/11/2012 6:00:49 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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The late and cuckholded Mr. Fredenberg's autopsy showed a blood alcohol level of 0.08. For the purposes of driving, that's drunk under the laws of all 50 states.

Talk amongst yourselves.

42 posted on 10/11/2012 6:08:50 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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wonder how much of a setup this is... had he been convicted, wifey would have gotten rid of hubby AND lover, and been free to start all over again...


68 posted on 10/11/2012 6:58:43 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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I have a lot of trouble believing this woman’s story.

http://www.dailyinterlake.com/news/local_montana/article_d0de63b4-0f4a-11e2-98fb-001a4bcf887a.html


70 posted on 10/11/2012 7:01:19 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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In retrospect, Fredenberg’s beef should have been with his wife, not with her lover in her lover’s garage.


80 posted on 10/11/2012 7:26:41 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Why not eliminate the middle man and have whoever feeds Obama his lines debate Romney directly?")
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